Should Driver Picks be Restricted?

Restrict Driver Picks by Skill Level?


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rbroyles

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It has been suggested that drivers be divided into three skill levels ( A, B & C) similar to as ESPN does. You could only pick two from group A and B and one from C. I think you should be able to move picks down a level, such as if you only pick one from A, you can then pick three from B or two from C. You could drop both picks down as well.
 
#2
#2
My only concern is how drivers are determined to be "A" group drivers for example. Overall though its an interesting idea.
 
#3
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My only concern is how drivers are determined to be "A" group drivers for example. Overall though its an interesting idea.

It would be a committee of four or five. Would you be on it? Currently it is SyxxSynce, doozer, tidwell, downndirty and me. Syxx posted a suggested starting list in the "Help Improve the Pick 'Em" thread.
 
#4
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My only concern is how drivers are determined to be "A" group drivers for example. Overall though its an interesting idea.

Points standings.

1-10 = "A", 11-20 = "B", etc.

Give (more) weighted points for picking a "C" driver who finishes well than an "A" who does so.
 
#5
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It would be a committee of four or five. Would you be on it? Currently it is SyxxSynce, doozer, tidwell, downndirty and me. Syxx posted a suggested starting list in the "Help Improve the Pick 'Em" thread.

If you need one more person then sure.

Points standings.

1-10 = "A", 11-20 = "B", etc.

Give (more) weighted points for picking a "C" driver who finishes well than an "A" who does so.

Grouping by points could be an option, but I would think after the season starts we should do an update say at four race intervals or something along those lines.
 
#6
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Grouping by points could be an option, but I would think after the season starts we should do an update say at four race intervals or something along those lines.

Good point. You'd also want to guard against the seasonal anomalies. Maybe use last season's final standings (rookies would be zeroed) to determine some kind of weighted baseline, and then go by point totals on a four-week interval?

For example, say Jimmie Johnson finishes poorly in 2 of the first 4 races, and by seasonal point totals alone, should fall into the hypothetical "D" category (where he'd be an all-too-easy pick to improve from there) - but because of his championship season, you'd say that he could fall no further than "B", nor could any other driver in the Top 5 from the previous season. To go further, no driver who made The Chase could drop below a "C". So, you'd limit the relative ease of picking up a good/great driver who had just had a couple of bad outings, without inhibiting any of the potential upside of those previously less-accomplished drivers.

It would not only make your "C" picks (and thereafter) more important, but potentially even more rewarding (as they had a higher upside).

I could hardly be construed as even a casual fan (Junior fan, meaning, I typically only have to watch the first 10-15 laps of each race), and there's likely many things that I haven't considered in the above, but it's just an idea.
 
#7
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Good point. You'd also want to guard against the seasonal anomalies. Maybe use last season's final standings (rookies would be zeroed) to determine some kind of weighted baseline, and then go by point totals on a four-week interval?

For example, say Jimmie Johnson finishes poorly in 2 of the first 4 races, and by seasonal point totals alone, should fall into the hypothetical "D" category (where he'd be an all-too-easy pick to improve from there) - but because of his championship season, you'd say that he could fall no further than "B", nor could any other driver in the Top 5 from the previous season. To go further, no driver who made The Chase could drop below a "C". So, you'd limit the relative ease of picking up a good/great driver who had just had a couple of bad outings, without inhibiting any of the potential upside of those previously less-accomplished drivers.

It would not only make your "C" picks (and thereafter) more important, but potentially even more rewarding (as they had a higher upside).

I could hardly be construed as even a casual fan (Junior fan, meaning, I typically only have to watch the first 10-15 laps of each race), and there's likely many things that I haven't considered in the above, but it's just an idea.

My head exploded.

Jimmie Johnson should never fall below A, because he is an elite driver.

Here is the list I posted on the other thread to give a baseline:

Group A

Jimmie Johnson
Denny Hamlin
Kevin Harvick
Carl Edwards
Matt Kenseth
Mark Martin
Tony Stewart
Kyle Busch
Kurt Busch
Jeff Gordon
Greg Biffle
Clint Bowyer

Group B

Jeff Burton
Kasey Kahne
Jamie McMurray
Joey Logano
Ryan Newman
Juan Pablo Montoya
David Reutimann
A.J. Allmendinger
Dale Earnhardt Jr.
Martin Truex Jr.

Group C

David Ragan
Paul Menard
Brad Keselowski
Marcos Ambrose
Elliott Sadler
Regan Smith
Sam Hornish Jr.
Scott Speed
Bobby Labonte
David Gilliland
Robby Gordon
Travis Kvapil
Casey Mears
Kevin Conway

It was suggested by rbroyles to move Burton to A, Kesolowski to B, and Allmendinger to C.
 
#8
#8
I like the concept, but don't really understand the drop down concept, I'm sure there is a simplicity to it that is just escaping me at the moment.

Appreciate the thoughts for improving the contest, broyles, especially as you are the one who bears the workload of all the ideas everyone else comes up with.
 
#9
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I think you're complicating it more than need be. I wish there was some kind of forgiveness for those of us who forget to make our picks one or more weeks. That just kills your chances.
 
#10
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I like the concept, but don't really understand the drop down concept, I'm sure there is a simplicity to it that is just escaping me at the moment.

Appreciate the thoughts for improving the contest, broyles, especially as you are the one who bears the workload of all the ideas everyone else comes up with.

If you were to pick just one from group A, you could then pick one more from B or C. Also if you picked just one from B, you could then pick one more from C.
 
#11
#11
I think you're complicating it more than need be. I wish there was some kind of forgiveness for those of us who forget to make our picks one or more weeks. That just kills your chances.

That is the purpose of the "Mulligan" rule. You drop your lowest score, which in the case of not picking, means you have 0 for your low score. I am considering adding one or two more "Mulligans".
 
#13
#13
one mulligan and drop your lowest score.

the bellyaching over forgetting is becoming annoying.
 
#14
#14
I have never deleted posts before with the exception of spam, but this thread is for the improvement of the contest.
 
#15
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I think this could end up being too much work. My only question is, what happens if a driver starts "sucking it up"? Will they stay in the orginal group? The same thing could be said for an overachiever.
 
#16
#16
RBroyles you do a Hell of a job!

I am all about making it better. However, I voted against the driver restrictions and have no problem with another mulligan; 2 weeks of mulligans should be fine for the homer Simpson "DOH"" I forgot rule. I have been there and done that myself (forgot more than once last yr...but 2 deaths in the family and vacations will do that to you.) No matter what you decide I will play, thanks for all the hard work.
 
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#17
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I think this could end up being too much work. My only question is, what happens if a driver starts "sucking it up"? Will they stay in the orginal group? The same thing could be said for an overachiever.

No, Broyles would change them at anytime if needed.
 
#19
#19
i appreciate everything you do rb. i know its got to be a chore keeping up with it all.

i have played in a similar set up one year on yahoo, and i was not a big fan. i am up for giving it a shot though. it seems like there could be some division about which group a particular driver should be in as the season goes along. other than that, i would be on board either way.

i also forgot my picks once last year and then went on vac and forgot again. that pretty much ended my run. no reason to complain about it. i just bowed out quietly. i think as long as the season is, that dropping the 3 lowest scores could even be considered.
 
#21
#21
:good!:I really like the idea. Can I suggest that you only change the list say every 9 races(every quarter) or maybe every 8 races for the first 24 and then leave it that way for the final 12 so that it doesn't change during the chase. Just an idea. Every 4 races just seems like it would be too much. I don't think there will be a whole lot of changing throughout the season anyway.


:hi:Thanks for seeking our input RB.
 
#23
#23
no adjusting the standings either.

this game should be at least a little challenging. next thing you know somebody is going to suggest we make picks after the race.
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#24
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I think this could end up being too much work. My only question is, what happens if a driver starts "sucking it up"? Will they stay in the orginal group? The same thing could be said for an overachiever.

I think doozer's idea of drivers from the 2010 Chase being in A would be a good guideline. If a driver not in A stays in the top 12 for three or four weeks, I would put him in A, and likewise if an A driver falls below 14th-15th he would drop to B. For group B, the same would happen using 25th place in the points as a guide.

This would require posting the driver grouping each week in the race entry thread, so it would be necessary for each contestant to check it when making picks. I think I am going to ask for a pay raise.
 
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#25
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no adjusting the standings either.

this game should be at least a little challenging. next thing you know somebody is going to suggest we make picks after the race.
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I guess I'm slow today. What do you mean by adjusting the standings?
 

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