Should Driver Picks be Restricted?

Restrict Driver Picks by Skill Level?

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#26
#26
doozer said:
no adjusting the standings either.

this game should be at least a little challenging. next thing you know somebody is going to suggest we make picks after the race.
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maybe after the first 15 laps or so...
 
#28
#28
I very much like the idea of the groups of drivers. Keeps things more interesting and forces people to pick drivers they normally wouldn't.

As for how you group them I think the simplest thing would be to take the 2010 Chase drivers and make them Group A, the drivers 13th-24th as group B, and anyone below 24th as Group C.

The groups would be reset a few times during the year to adjust for guys running better or worse than the group they are currently in.

I say reset groups after:

The 5th race at California (quick early season adjustment)
The 12th race - The Coca-Cola 600 at Charlotte
The 17th race - the Firecracker 400 at Daytona
The 26th race - the Richmond race before the Chase

That's 4 total resets during the year at strategic times. The groups would need to be reset early just due to how things change at the beginning of each season. After Charlotte seems a natural changing point with a good diversity of races in that small stretch after Charlotte. You have Kansas, Pocono, Michigan, Sears Point, and Daytona. Then split after Daytona and you have another good diversity in there of Kentucky, New Hampshire, Indy, Pocono, Watkins Glen, Michigan, Bristol, Atlanta, and Richmond. Then reset for the "Chase for the 2011" Cup.

There is a bit of a longer gap in there between the Daytona reset of the groups and the Chase but it makes sense in my mind to do it like this. It's not resetting it every week and it makes less work in the long run. I just don't see a need for an extra reset between Daytona and the Chase. Those are the dog days of summer races anyhow.

Just my .02
 
#29
#29
I haven't participated in like two years, and since I won't be around for most of the season, I won't be playing again, but I think the rankings thing is a good idea. It doesn't do any good for those who forget, but that's their fault. The fact that I finished top 5 in the contest a few years ago and won the innagural letterman thing without even watching a race is telling of how easy it is to pick for NASCAR races. That's not a knock against you broyles, but what NASCAR has become as a whole. I think having to choose B and C list drivers will definitely bring the best of the real NASCAR crowd out.

For the first season just to avoid confusion, headaches and griping, I'm with doozer. Leave every driver in whatever category they start in from start to finish. Maybe if things are going well, you can change them up for the Chase. See how this system works, then tweak it for next year. Good luck Broyles.
 
#30
#30
DownNDirty said:
I very much like the idea of the groups of drivers. Keeps things more interesting and forces people to pick drivers they normally wouldn't.

As for how you group them I think the simplest thing would be to take the 2010 Chase drivers and make them Group A, the drivers 13th-24th as group B, and anyone below 24th as Group C.

The groups would be reset a few times during the year to adjust for guys running better or worse than the group they are currently in.

I say reset groups after:

The 5th race at California (quick early season adjustment)
The 12th race - The Coca-Cola 600 at Charlotte
The 17th race - the Firecracker 400 at Daytona
The 26th race - the Richmond race before the Chase

That's 4 total resets during the year at strategic times. The groups would need to be reset early just due to how things change at the beginning of each season. After Charlotte seems a natural changing point with a good diversity of races in that small stretch after Charlotte. You have Kansas, Pocono, Michigan, Sears Point, and Daytona. Then split after Daytona and you have another good diversity in there of Kentucky, New Hampshire, Indy, Pocono, Watkins Glen, Michigan, Bristol, Atlanta, and Richmond. Then reset for the "Chase for the 2011" Cup.

There is a bit of a longer gap in there between the Daytona reset of the groups and the Chase but it makes sense in my mind to do it like this. It's not resetting it every week and it makes less work in the long run. I just don't see a need for an extra reset between Daytona and the Chase. Those are the dog days of summer races anyhow.

Just my .02
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This is the suggestion that has made the most sense to me. Starting the three groups by last years final standings (which was pretty much my list) and then reseting the groups about every quarter I think would be easier to keep up with than reseting every few races. We need to keep this as easy to understand and user friendly as we can. It makes it easier for rbroyles and easier for the participants.
 
#31
#31
Tenacious D said:
Points standings.

1-10 = "A", 11-20 = "B", etc.

Give (more) weighted points for picking a "C" driver who finishes well than an "A" who does so.
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This already happens as the higher finishing driver gets more points for whoever picks him.
 
#32
#32
rbroyles said:
I think doozer's idea of drivers from the 2010 Chase being in A would be a good guideline. If a driver not in A stays in the top 12 for three or four weeks, I would put him in A, and likewise if an A driver falls below 14th-15th he would drop to B. For group B, the same would happen using 25th place in the points as a guide.

This would require posting the driver grouping each week in the race entry thread, so it would be necessary for each contestant to check it when making picks. I think I am going to ask for a pay raise.
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Sounds good.
 
#33
#33
I think the groups should be adjusted at least a few times. If Joey Logano has a breakout year and wins 3 or 4 times than he should move up to group A.

I think you should just change them as you see fit.
 
#34
#34
Why would you want to move drivers up and down?

If Logano gets hot and Jimmie Johnson is already hot, why would you want to move them into the same group that you can only pick one from? Wouldn't you rather be able to use both of them?

If you can pick two from each group then it doesn't matter where they've been grouped to start, therefore it doesn't matter if they move up or down.
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#35
#35
doozer said:
Why would you want to move drivers up and down?

If Logano gets hot and Jimmie Johnson is already hot, why would you want to move them into the same group that you can only pick one from? Wouldn't you rather be able to use both of them?

If you can pick two from each group then it doesn't matter where they've been grouped to start, therefore it doesn't matter if they move up or down.
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I finally caught on to this myself. It really doesn't matter that much which group a driver is in. What matters is not being able to pick all favorites. I think we who are/were concerned about adjusting were looking at where a driver deserved to be, which is really irrelevant to the purpose of the grouping. As said above, if a Lagano starts winning, pick him. What does it matter which group he is in?
 
#36
#36
I agree. I don't think it really matters either. Set it at the beginning and then put all part time/new drivers in C. I don't think that there would be much changing anyways.
 
#37
#37
The reason I think it matters is because if one or two "B" guys get hot than everyone will have the same picks. The hard part is deciding between a Jimmie Johnson and Joey Logano when they're in the same group and say you've already picked Hamlin. The fun part is trying to pick the diamond in the rough when your choices aren't so easy to make. Anyway, that is just my opinion on the groups. I'm down for anything though.
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#38
#38
615 Vol said:
The reason I think it matters is because if one or two "B" guys get hot than everyone will have the same picks. The hard part is deciding between a Jimmie Johnson and Joey Logano when they're in the same group and say you've already picked Hamlin. The fun part is trying to pick the diamond in the rough when your choices aren't so easy to make. Anyway, that is just my opinion on the groups. I'm down for anything though.
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I see your point, if a driver gets hot, he would be picked no matter what group by some people.
 
#39
#39
615 Vol said:
The reason I think it matters is because if one or two "B" guys get hot than everyone will have the same picks. The hard part is deciding between a Jimmie Johnson and Joey Logano when they're in the same group and say you've already picked Hamlin. The fun part is trying to pick the diamond in the rough when your choices aren't so easy to make. Anyway, that is just my opinion on the groups. I'm down for anything though.
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the races are won and lost in the C group.
 
#40
#40
doozer said:
the races are won and lost in the C group.
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I agree, you know barring mechanical problems or a wreck the A guys will finish well. The B guys are a little less consistent, but most are going to pick the same three or four drivers. The C group is full of wild cards, stop & parks, crashers and the occasional good finish. And they change every race!
 
#41
#41
Anything sounds good to me, I'm just ready for the season to start. thanks for the time you put into this Broyles and we'll be glad to help you anytime you need it.
 
#42
#42
615 Vol said:
Anything sounds good to me, I'm just ready for the season to start. thanks for the time you put into this Broyles and we'll be glad to help you anytime you need it.
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Thanks for the input and the offer, may need to take you up on it.
 
#43
#43
rbroyles said:
Thanks for the input and the offer, may need to take you up on it.
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I'll help too if needed. It has to be difficult keeping up with everything, and this new format may make it even more, so I can help in any way as well.
 
#46
#46
Just seems like a bunch of words to me. We all know the score system. I think it's a push. Everyone knows who's hot and not and choose as they feel to researh from the last few races. They blow tires,run out of gas,etc ,pitcrew... Doesnt really matte.r If you roll the dice with 25th and19th and they finish high thats why you gamble..points is points.
 
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