Should states require welfare recipients to pass drug tests?

Should states require welfare recipients to pass drug tests?

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#26
#26
Welfare recipient should not be able to buy liquor, lottery or cigarettes. Those are luxury items and their money should be spent on basic needs if they require government aid.
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#28
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RespectTradition said:
People who catch AIDS have a disease. People born with Cerebral Palsy have a disease. People who make bad choices and don't have the willpower to overcome them are whiny babies. They DO NOT have a disease. Piffle.
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You dont have a clue. Do a little research, addiction is a horrible disease.
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#29
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Gramps said:
You dont have a clue. Do a little research, addiction is a horrible disease.
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I do have a clue. I have researched. Calling addiction a disease is a relatively new phenomenon and was very controversial. As I recall the history, classifying it as a disease was a political decision in order to get funding for rehab programs. People did not want to donate to help people get their acts together and they did not want the govt to waste tax dollars on it either. However, if it was called a disease, then we are helping those poor people who can't help themselves and now raising money gets a lot easier.

Addiction is horrible. It ruins lives. However, it only does that as a result of a refusal to control yourself. Calling it a disease even let's you off the hook and causes people to not try and beat it. "It's a disease man, I can't help it! There's no cure, why even try!"
 
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RespectTradition said:
I do have a clue. I have researched. Calling addiction a disease is a relatively new phenomenon and was very controversial. As I recall the history, classifying it as a disease was a political decision in order to get funding for rehab programs. People did not want to donate to help people get their acts together and they did not want the govt to waste tax dollars on it either. However, if it was called a disease, then we are helping those poor people who can't help themselves and now raising money gets a lot easier.

Addiction is horrible. It ruins lives. However, it only does that as a result of a refusal to control yourself. Calling it a disease even let's you off the hook and causes people to not try and beat it. "It's a disease man, I can't help it! There's no cure, why even try!"
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Do you actually think someone enjoys being a drug addict or alcoholic?
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#31
#31
RespectTradition said:
I agree with you 100%. However, since they do rob me to give to slackers, then they should have to use that money on rent, food, clothes, etc. Not recreation like movies, Xboxes, HDTV or recreational drugs. (which includes alcohol or tobacco)
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I agree with you, as well, but I don't see any feasible way to enforce this.
 
#32
#32
Gramps said:
Do you actually think someone enjoys being a drug addict or alcoholic?
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At times they do. Its an escape. Some willingly. Some unwillingly
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#33
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Gramps said:
Do you actually think someone enjoys being a drug addict or alcoholic?
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One of my best friends loves it. The last time he spent 3 months in court mandated rehab and on his way home from rehab he stopped and bought a 12 pack and a dime bag. His choice.

A guy I work with has been sober for 14 years. He was a drunk and a druggie for 15 years. One day he woke up 200 miles from home on the side of the road next to his wrecked car and had no idea how he got there. He quit over the course of the next month and as I said he has been sober 14 years now. His choice. He will still tell you about how much he loves getting high, how much fun it was and how he misses it. And then he will tell you that he will never touch the stuff again.
 
#34
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RespectTradition said:
One of my best friends loves it. The last time he spent 3 months in court mandated rehab and on his way home from rehab he stopped and bought a 12 pack and a dime bag. His choice.

A guy I work with has been sober for 14 years. He was a drunk and a druggie for 15 years. One day he woke up 200 miles from home on the side of the road next to his wrecked car and had no idea how he got
there. He quit over the course of the next month and as I said he has been sober 14 years now. His choice. He will still tell you about how much he loves getting high, how much fun it was and how he misses it. And then he will tell you that he will never touch the stuff again.
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You are entitled to your opinion, but science does prove you wrong.

Do you not think it is odd that let say 5 friends can go drinking or do a few drugs.
After a short period 3 or 4 of these friends can quit anytime they want to but there is that 1 or 2 that just cant stop.
Is your opinion that they are just enjoying what they are doing and if they choose to, they can quit anytime they want to?
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#35
#35
Some people are genetically predisposed to certain addictions but there is still a choice involved. Recognize your weaknesses and avoid them.
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#36
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tri_vol said:
Some people are genetically predisposed to certain addictions
but there is still a choice involved.
Recognize your weaknesses and avoid them.
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My agrument is addiction is a disease.
I agree with you they do have a choice, they have to make the decisions to do whatever it takes for them to remain sober, but it is a disease. A controllable disease.
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#37
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Gramps said:
You are entitled to your opinion, but science does prove you wrong.

Do you not think it is odd that let say 5 friends can go drinking or do a few drugs.
After a short period 3 or 4 of these friends can quit anytime they want to but there is that 1 or 2 that just cant stop.
Is your opinion that they are just enjoying what they are doing and if they choose to, they can quit anytime they want to?
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If you did not have a choice, you could never choose to enter rehab. You could never choose to stop taking. You not choose to refuse when offered later. Science shows that you can quit and stay quit. You show me a real disease that you can choose to not have. Can you choose to not have cancer? to not have the flu? Can you have pneumonia and wake up one morning and decide that you won't cough or have trouble breathing that day? Those are diseases. Some doctors have chosen to state that addiction is a disease, that does not prove anything except that they have opinions. The word disease has been redefined to mean anything.
 
#38
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RespectTradition said:
If you did not have a choice, you could never choose to enter rehab. You could never choose to stop taking. You not choose to refuse when offered later. Science shows that you can quit and stay quit. You show me a real disease that you can choose to not have. Can you choose to not have cancer? to not have the flu? Can you have pneumonia and wake up one morning and decide that you won't cough or have trouble breathing that day? Those are diseases. Some doctors have chosen to state that addiction is a disease, that does not prove anything except that they have opinions. The word disease has been redefined to mean anything.
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At one point in my life I had the same opinion as you do concerning addiction.

I have since learned that it is a disease. It can be contolled and someone can maintain their soberity but it is a disease.
Let me say this, I do not drink nor do drugs. I do not now nor have ever had an addiction problem.

you may want to read this.

http://http://drugabuse.gov/infofacts/understand.html


Addiction is a chronic, often relapsing brain disease that causes compulsive drug seeking and use, despite harmful consequences to the addicted individual and to those around him or her. Although the initial decision to take drugs is voluntary for most people, the brain changes that occur over time challenge a person’s self control and ability to resist intense impulses urging them to take drugs.

Fortunately, treatments are available to help people counter addiction’s powerful disruptive effects. Research shows that combining addiction treatment medications with behavioral therapy is the best way to ensure success for most patients. Treatment approaches that are tailored to each patient’s drug abuse patterns and any co-occurring medical, psychiatric, and social problems can lead to sustained recovery and a life without drug abuse.

Similar to other chronic, relapsing diseases, such as diabetes, asthma, or heart disease, drug addiction can be managed successfully. And as with other chronic diseases, it is not uncommon for a person to relapse and begin abusing drugs again. Relapse, however, does not signal treatment failure—rather, it indicates that treatment should be reinstated, adjusted, or that an alternative treatment is needed to help the individual regain control and recover.
 
#39
#39
nbakerld said:
FYP. Drug addicts regularly held down jobs before the war on drugs escalated. Drug users were usually contributing members of society. Liken it to alcohol...a lot of people drink, but there are only a few that let it get in the way of work. It was the same with drugs. The guy who started Johns Hopkins was a lifelong drug addict (opium and morphine). War on drugs has painted drug addicts as useless members of society and we treat them that way.
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I know several that are. 1 that breaks in and steals pain meds from Cancer stricken parent. Another example of Meth addicts locally broke into a house and started cooking in a home that a retired couple had bought and spent thousands of dollars restoring it before the moved into it from out of state and now the house is condemened by the state. I know this isn't all addicts but many of them are POS.
 
#40
#40
MUR73 said:
I know several that are. 1 that breaks in and steals pain meds from Cancer stricken parent. Another example of Meth addicts locally broke into a house and started cooking in a home that a retired couple had bought and spent thousands of dollars restoring it before the moved into it from out of state and now the house is condemened by the state. I know this isn't all addicts but many of them are POS.
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Both are situations that wouldn't exist at all (virtually) in a legalized environment.
 
#41
#41
They already done this in Michigan and it didn't really help. People will find a way to beat a drug screen
 
#42
#42
******n it Otto, you're an alcoholic. ******n it Otto, you have Lupus.

One of those doesn't sound right.
 
#45
#45
MG1968 said:
sure, if I have to pass random, mandatory drug tests to keep my job (I have to be tested within 24 hours of receiving a notice, I'm sure this policy is similar in other work places) then welfare recipients should have to pass a drug test.
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YOu get that much time? I can promise that isn't a problem for the hippie lettuce crowd. Most places with randoms in place require you go within a few hours or an hour
 
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