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that we appear to be heading for another sub par year in recruiting. i was looking at the other sec classes and wow it seems like we are in some real trouble. is anybody else out there worried that we are going to get overtaken by the likes of kentucky.
 
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i think you are the only one worried that we are getting overtaken by kentucky. look at the classes so far side by side...its not even close.
 
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lujacha said:
i think you are the only one worried that we are getting overtaken by kentucky. look at the classes so far side by side...its not even close.
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UK is going to land a top 5 QB out of indiana this week. that is more than what we have at that position. even lemming was talking about the vols lack off top recruits this week. he was mostly talking of last year though.
 
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champyvol said:
UK is going to land a top 5 QB out of indiana this week. that is more than what we have at that position. even lemming was talking about the vols lack off top recruits this week. he was mostly talking of last year though.
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If you're talking about CBS College Sports channel, that is from about 4 months ago.
 
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champyvol said:
that we appear to be heading for another sub par year in recruiting. i was looking at the other sec classes and wow it seems like we are in some real trouble. is anybody else out there worried that we are going to get overtaken by the likes of kentucky.
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Have you been paying attention to recruiting at all???
I know that UGA is getting all the pub but UT's class is very strong. Much stronger than it usually is at this point in the year.
 
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While this does look to be a much better year than 2005 or 2007, it is unlikely that it will get up to the level of the 2006 class. it is also likely that without a couple of 5* prospects thrown in, this class will still lag a little behind UGA and UF in terms of star ratings. At this point, however, I think we just have to hope the Vols can stay close to the talent level of the top tier SEC teams so the next hfc will not be hamstrung by an empty cupboard situation. I think this class will be good enough to keep the Vols in the mix talent-wise.
 
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Yeah... subpar like the last one, right?

GWms- instant contributor
Poole- terribly underrated by every account I've read
A Johnson- impressed the coaches at both FB and LB, will play
Bartholomew- will play
Bailey- apparently should have remained a 4*, has moved into the 2 deep by playing well
Morley- didn't count on ratings but who would take a 5* with experience?
Warren- see above
Waggner- acknowledged by many as underrated and is carving out PT
Lathers- probably a RS but making a positive impression
Thomas- same thing, needs a year of S&C but looks like a player
Abrams-Ward- will probably RS
Bohanon- played his way into the 5th DE slot according to recent comments
Fowlkes- needs to develop physically but the coaches have made positive comments, could see PT
Douglas- I am worried about his injury but he was a highly rated player
Raines/Anderson- both are projects but I've read more positive things about both than I expected
Wilks- moved to LB and looks to have very good potential
Kelly- baseball

The only real problems in the class are potentially Hughes/Walls qualifying and the fact that they didn't fill a significant need- DT. That becomes less of an issue with Herbert and potentially Hicks coming in next year.

If these 2008 guys continue in the direction they're headed then the coaches will deserve a lot of praise for signing a class that was a lot better on green than on white.

Bottom line: the early indications are that the answer to your question is "no". Last year's class isn't looking subpar on the field where it counts. The 09 class is looking good in both quality and on paper... plus they're getting a bunch of smart kids.

Alot of people are overlooking the academics of this class. That helps in several ways. Obviously a smart kid with athleticism has some advantages learning to play the game. They present a lower risk of being academically ineligible... and they don't threaten to cost you scholarships in the future because of the rule revisions.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
While this does look to be a much better year than 2005 or 2007, it is unlikely that it will get up to the level of the 2006 class. it is also likely that without a couple of 5* prospects thrown in, this class will still lag a little behind UGA and UF in terms of star ratings. At this point, however, I think we just have to hope the Vols can stay close to the talent level of the top tier SEC teams so the next hfc will not be hamstrung by an empty cupboard situation. I think this class will be good enough to keep the Vols in the mix talent-wise.
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It is about a 99% unlikelihood that anyone in this class will play for a different HC unless CPF decides to retire early... which he probably won't do unless it follows a very successful season. You might as well get used to it and forget your dream that he'll fail badly enough to be fired.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
While this does look to be a much better year than 2005 or 2007, it is unlikely that it will get up to the level of the 2006 class. it is also likely that without a couple of 5* prospects thrown in, this class will still lag a little behind UGA and UF in terms of star ratings. At this point, however, I think we just have to hope the Vols can stay close to the talent level of the top tier SEC teams so the next hfc will not be hamstrung by an empty cupboard situation. I think this class will be good enough to keep the Vols in the mix talent-wise.
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I think you mixed up the years.

2006 and 2008 were our not great recruiting years.

2005 and 2007 were our great recruiting years.
 
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champyvol said:
that we appear to be heading for another sub par year in recruiting. i was looking at the other sec classes and wow it seems like we are in some real trouble. is anybody else out there worried that we are going to get overtaken by the likes of kentucky.
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This years recruiting class is looking anything but
sub-par. ESPN had us listed in the top 10 already a while back and we have added a couple more 4 star recruits since then. If Kentucky finishes within 10 spots of us I will be very surprised.
 
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sjt18 said:
It is about a 99% unlikelihood that anyone in this class will play for a different HC unless CPF decides to retire early... which he probably won't do unless it follows a very successful season. You might as well get used to it and forget your dream that he'll fail badly enough to be fired.
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I'm hearing that some people who matter are pissed about the "contract for life" situation and they will be ready to drop the hammer at the next opportunity. How do you feel the mood will be if the team is 3-3 after the UGA game?

sjt, as to your prior post I have a serious question. Do you really think so many of the 2008 guys would be getting a shot to play if the Vols were not having significant depth issues at multiple positions? I agree that it is good that they are getting experience but it's not like that was a whole class of ready-to-play guys like Berry.

govols182 said:
I think you mixed up the years.

2006 and 2008 were our not great recruiting years.

2005 and 2007 were our great recruiting years.
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Yes. Thank-you for the correction.
 
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players will get better and ranked higher/more stars as the season goes on; it happens all the time.
 
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I think we are very capable of landing Marlon Brown and David Oku. Not only them, but we have a couple 5 stars still on the board. If we can land those guys, that will be a sick class. I think we will be around 9 or 10 when its all said and done.
 
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TrueOrange said:
players will get better and ranked higher/more stars as the season goes on; it happens all the time.
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and some will go down, also happens all the time.

Grateful Vol said:
I think we are very capable of landing Marlon Brown and David Oku. Not only them, but we have a couple 5 stars still on the board. If we can land those guys, that will be a sick class. I think we will be around 9 or 10 when its all said and done.
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Marlon Brown is no longer a 5*, he was bumped down to a 4* based on lackluster performance at the USC camp. The Vols could wind-up with a Top10 class but UGA and UF will probably both have Top5 classes. I'm not saying that means those schools are unbeatable for the future, it just means that they probably start out with a slight talent edge at some positions.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
and some will go down, also happens all the time.



Marlon Brown is no longer a 5*, he was bumped down to a 4* based on lackluster performance at the USC camp. The Vols could wind-up with a Top10 class but UGA and UF will probably both have Top5 classes. I'm not saying that means those schools are unbeatable for the future, it just means that they probably start out with a slight talent edge at some positions.
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Except at QB because Stafford is horrible.:)
 
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champyvol said:
UK is going to land a top 5 QB out of indiana this week. that is more than what we have at that position. even lemming was talking about the vols lack off top recruits this week. he was mostly talking of last year though.
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You do know Nunes is the 6th ranked pro style QB right?
 
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sjt18 said:
Yeah... subpar like the last one, right?

GWms- instant contributor
Poole- terribly underrated by every account I've read
A Johnson- impressed the coaches at both FB and LB, will play
Bartholomew- will play
Bailey- apparently should have remained a 4*, has moved into the 2 deep by playing well
Morley- didn't count on ratings but who would take a 5* with experience?
Warren- see above
Waggner- acknowledged by many as underrated and is carving out PT
Lathers- probably a RS but making a positive impression
Thomas- same thing, needs a year of S&C but looks like a player
Abrams-Ward- will probably RS
Bohanon- played his way into the 5th DE slot according to recent comments
Fowlkes- needs to develop physically but the coaches have made positive comments, could see PT
Douglas- I am worried about his injury but he was a highly rated player
Raines/Anderson- both are projects but I've read more positive things about both than I expected
Wilks- moved to LB and looks to have very good potential
Kelly- baseball

The only real problems in the class are potentially Hughes/Walls qualifying and the fact that they didn't fill a significant need- DT. That becomes less of an issue with Herbert and potentially Hicks coming in next year.

If these 2008 guys continue in the direction they're headed then the coaches will deserve a lot of praise for signing a class that was a lot better on green than on white.

Bottom line: the early indications are that the answer to your question is "no". Last year's class isn't looking subpar on the field where it counts. The 09 class is looking good in both quality and on paper... plus they're getting a bunch of smart kids.

Alot of people are overlooking the academics of this class. That helps in several ways. Obviously a smart kid with athleticism has some advantages learning to play the game. They present a lower risk of being academically ineligible... and they don't threaten to cost you scholarships in the future because of the rule revisions.
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I agree this class is probably better than the ranking it received. But you can only sugar coat it so much. Fact is we missed on most of the big ones on our board. We need to be batting 500. with those guys to keep pace. But this class and morley and warren have helped make last years recruiting not as bad as it would seem.
 
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I don't think this is that ridiculous of a thought. RIGHT NOW, we are lagging behind the Floridas and Georgias. But we do have some high qulaity guys left on the board.
 
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