Shovel pass

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Golfprovol said:
You missed the point of the post. I can't write it in crayons here. Point being, Nico has predetermined places to throw the ball. Which leads to our offense not working like it did in 2022.
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lol and your evidence of this is that they ran a play everyone in America runs with a predetermined place to throw the ball?

Solid work!

This would be like saying Army’s qb doesn’t read the option and using the fact that you saw them run a toss sweep as your evidence
 
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Vol8188 said:
lol and your evidence of this is that they ran a play everyone in America runs with a predetermined place to throw the ball?

Solid work!

This would be like saying Army’s qb doesn’t read the option and using the fact that you saw them run a toss sweep as your evidence
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Open your eyes and look at the year as a whole. The offense didn't click like years past, we were slower than years past, receivers were not as open.

Having a RS Freshman QB will hamper your play calling, your efficiency, and your options.

Were as good at your job in your first full year as you are now? Do you even work?
 
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Golfprovol said:
Open your eyes and look at the year as a whole. The offense didn't click like years past, we were slower than years past, receivers were not as open.

Having a RS Freshman QB will hamper your play calling, your efficiency, and your options.

Were as good at your job in your first full year as you are now? Do you even work?
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Literally none of that was on topic. Impressive.
 
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BigALWiLson said:
Lol our wr's are not good. OL can not block a competent football team. Real wr's look like Ohio State. NFL caliber guys. Until we have that again like in 21' and 22' you won't see that offense. You can't go fast if the OL doesn't perform and wr's get open more than 4 times in a game. I was at Ohio State last night. Nico was no where near our problem. We need OL, LB's, S and real WR's
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I have watched Ole Miss several games this year. Kiffin never runs out of lanky sure-handed receivers. When one gets hurt, there always seems to be another one ready to take his place. Kiffin has developed more WRs this season than we have the last 2 years. Either this coaching staff is badly misjudging WR recruits, or they just do a piss poor job of developing them.
 
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LibertyVolance said:
I have watched Ole Miss several games this year. Kiffin never runs out of lanky sure-handed receivers. When one gets hurt, there always seems to be another one ready to take his place. Kiffin has developed more WRs this season than we have the last 2 years. Either this coaching staff is badly misjudging WR recruits, or they just do a piss poor job of developing them.
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Both can be true. Squirrel has gotten worse. Bru all but disappeared. Thornton can't get open very often. Love all those guys but damn.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Literally none of that was on topic. Impressive.
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The topic is that Nico is a RS Freshman who doesn't have the skill yet to run CJH offense as fast as it is meant to be ran. When we slow down, defenses have time to adjust to our set. CJH didnt trust Nico read presnap and therefore gave him a designated target.

The shovel pass and the others from last night were simply examples, I could show you many more throughout the year.

I will also assume this all will go over your head and you will make some smart ass passive aggressive response because a logical and thoughtful sentence avoids you like the ague.
 
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Golfprovol said:
2 years of him starting and getting all 1st reps? If I recall correctly, he was QB2 last year
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2 years in the system, one as back up with a star in a bowl game and one as starter for the whole season and they don’t trust him??
Yeah, that’s on coaching.
 
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Golfprovol said:
The topic is that Nico is a RS Freshman who doesn't have the skill yet to run CJH offense as fast as it is meant to be ran. When we slow down, defenses have time to adjust to our set. CJH didnt trust Nico read presnap and therefore gave him a designated target.

The shovel pass and the others from last night were simply examples, I could show you many more throughout the year.

I will also assume this all will go over your head and you will make some smart ass passive aggressive response because a logical and thoughtful sentence avoids you like the ague.
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Everyone in the country runs shovel. That is not a play that has a read. That’s not evidence for your argument.

Your complaint of lack of reads is not a Nico thing. It’s how our offense works. When coming out there was a draft stat that Hooker lead all QBs in throws to his first read.
 
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Alto1 said:
2 years in the system, one as back up with a star in a bowl game and one as starter for the whole season and they don’t trust him??
Yeah, that’s on coaching.
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Yeah the coaching is putting him in the best position to succeed for the team and for his career. Fulmer and Cutliff did the same with Peyton during his first starts. That turned out pretty good if I recall correctly. Although I am.sure some of the really old timers were calling for Fulmer to be canned and Peyton to be benched for Brandon Stewart.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Everyone in the country runs shovel. That is not a play that has a read. That’s not evidence for your argument.

Your complaint of lack of reads is not a Nico thing. It’s how our offense works. When coming out there was a draft stat that Hooker lead all QBs in throws to his first read.
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Again, this is not 2022 and Nico does not have a Tillman or Hyatt. Those guys allowed for Hooker to hit first target as they were open. We didn't not have that luxury this year.

I am.gonna stop arguing with stupid people. I feel dumber for having to explain this to you so many times.
 
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Golfprovol said:
Yeah the coaching is putting him in the best position to succeed for the team and for his career. Fulmer and Cutliff did the same with Peyton during his first starts. That turned out pretty good if I recall correctly. Although I am.sure some of the really old timers were calling for Fulmer to be canned and Peyton to be benched for Brandon Stewart.
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Go off on a tangent if you want but if they can’t coach him up to run the offense as designed in that time frame that’s on them, period.
 
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Alto1 said:
Go off on a tangent if you want but if they can’t coach him up to run the offense as designed in that time frame that’s on them, period.
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Not on a tangent, just facts. He needs to be coached, but he needs experience as well. Game experience. Kind of like Peyton went 3-13 his rookie season with more Int's than anyone in NFL history. I guess that was his coaching?
 
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Golfprovol said:
Again, this is not 2022 and Nico does not have a Tillman or Hyatt. Those guys allowed for Hooker to hit first target as they were open. We didn't not have that luxury this year.

I am.gonna stop arguing with stupid people. I feel dumber for having to explain this to you so many times.
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Well, thank you greatly for trying. It was very kind.
 
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Golfprovol said:
Not on a tangent, just facts. He needs to be coached, but he needs experience as well. Game experience. Kind of like Peyton went 3-13 his rookie season with more Int's than anyone in NFL history. I guess that was his coaching?
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This isn’t the NFL. Every game in the NFL is highly competitive against other professionals.
Those NFL coaches did trust Peyton enough from the get go and it paid off in the long run. Made mistakes learned from them and moved forward.
A college QB starting 14 games isn’t enough for the coaches to trust him to fully run their offense?
He has had plenty of “game” experience and plenty of practice experience. Some against weak opponents and some against tougher opponents.
No excuse for coaches not to let him fully run their offense. He may make some mistakes on those “untrustworthy” plays but that is how you learn.
 
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Bloodrunsorange27 said:
I saw a video recently with a ln NFL QB saying if you want to know what the HC and OC really think about their QB, watch what plays they call on third downs.
This makes me think of option call on 3rd and 7. Every didn’t trust him to throw the ball
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Could also be a reflection of what they think of the WRs and/or OL.
 
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Golfprovol said:
The topic is that Nico is a RS Freshman who doesn't have the skill yet to run CJH offense as fast as it is meant to be ran. When we slow down, defenses have time to adjust to our set. CJH didnt trust Nico read presnap and therefore gave him a designated target.

The shovel pass and the others from last night were simply examples, I could show you many more throughout the year.

I will also assume this all will go over your head and you will make some smart ass passive aggressive response because a logical and thoughtful sentence avoids you like the ague.
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We ran the same shovel pass with HH. We just had better OL play and better players to run it. Specifically they used a shovel pass to the Hback in the Bama and Florida games as well as the bowl game against Clemson
 
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He trusts Nico fact is we are hamstrung by OL and WR both. Like that you just go all in thinking it is just the QB when 10 other guys are on the field. If you would watch with your eyes what is really going on the truth is, it's not just QB play. Our WR play is not even average, OL play is below average in pass
 
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BigALWiLson said:
We ran the same shovel pass with HH. We just had better OL play and better players to run it. Specifically they used a shovel pass to the Hback in the Bama and Florida games as well as the bowl game against Clemson
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I know we have ran it before. The point is, Sampson swamped and he threw it anyway. He did as he was told. He threw into triple coverage a few times.

POINT IS, Nico has not progressed enough yet to run the offense like Hendon did.
 
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