SI.com List of 10 Best and 5 Worst Coaches

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#26
(milohimself @ Jun 29 said:
I'm going more with looking at exactly what kind of program Cal was before Tedford got there. Florida was on a bit of a slide from the Zook years, but Spurrier's imprint was still on the program. Urban Meyer seems to be keeping things going. Cal is what Jeff Tedford has made it.
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I agree wholeheartedly.
 
#27
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(milohimself @ Jun 30 said:
I'm going more with looking at exactly what kind of program Cal was before Tedford got there. Florida was on a bit of a slide from the Zook years, but Spurrier's imprint was still on the program. Urban Meyer seems to be keeping things going. Cal is what Jeff Tedford has made it.
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I don't see where Cal's anything that would merit their coach being considered in the top 10. If I were the Bears, I would want to avoid scrutiny of my recent "success." Other than a win over USC in Carson Palmer's senior year, there are no signature victories. Their crybaby act two years ago, especially when coupled with the beating TT administered to them in the Holiday Bowl, showed them to be a bush league operation.
 
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#28
(VolinArizona @ Jun 30 said:
Comment on Meyer being in the top 10 coaches in America. I want to see how you feel about it. And I'd rather not try to sweep through 37 rhetorical questions to find your feelings.

I will ask this back: How many wins would Tedford gotten in 2004 with this schedule:

v. Texas A&M
@ Arizona
@ Utah State
v. Air Force
@ New Mexico
v. North Carolina
v. UNLV
@ San Diego State
v. Colorado State
@ Wyoming
v. BYU

Remember, I said I'm confident Meyer is in for big things, and in time will be a top 10 coach.
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I'm certain he wouldn't have won any more of them did Meyer did.
 
#29
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(VolinArizona @ Jun 30 said:
Comment on Meyer being in the top 10 coaches in America. I want to see how you feel about it. And I'd rather not try to sweep through 37 rhetorical questions to find your feelings.

I will ask this back: How many wins would Tedford gotten in 2004 with this schedule:

v. Texas A&M
@ Arizona
@ Utah State
v. Air Force
@ New Mexico
v. North Carolina
v. UNLV
@ San Diego State
v. Colorado State
@ Wyoming
v. BYU

Remember, I said I'm confident Meyer is in for big things, and in time will be a top 10 coach.
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I think that schedule would make Fulmer look like a coaching genius too.
 
#32
#32
(hatvol96 @ Jun 30 said:
Not if he had to play it with Utah's talent.
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Good point. I was just trying to comment on the weakness of the schedule.
 
#33
#33
(hatvol96 @ Jun 30 said:
I'm certain he wouldn't have won any more of them did Meyer did.
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I'm certain that it would have been impossible to win more than Meyer did in 2004, because Utah went undefeated and into a BCS bowl with that schedule. I think you knew that, too. :)
 
#34
#34
(VolinArizona @ Jun 30 said:
I'm certain that it would have been impossible to win more than Meyer did in 2004, because Utah went undefeated and into a BCS bowl with that schedule. I think you knew that, too. :)
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That's exactly why I posted that statement.
 
#35
#35
I still have yet to see any evidence to indicate the Rich Brooks deserves to be off of the "bottom five" list.
 
#36
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(DowntownVol @ Jun 30 said:
I still have yet to see any evidence to indicate the Rich Brooks deserves to be off of the "bottom five" list.
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Everyone has forgotten that Kentucky still has a football program.
 
#38
#38
And how did that turn out for the 49'ers? Alex Smith probably won't last in the NFL. And aside from a WR, Utah's talent was relative to the rest of the MWC.

I'm still baffled why people draw these comparisons. Coaching in the Mountain West isn't any easier or harder than coaching in the SEC. The talent is still relative to the rest of the teams in the respective conference.
 
#39
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(milohimself @ Jun 30 said:
I'm still baffled why people draw these comparisons. Coaching in the Mountain West isn't any easier or harder than coaching in the SEC.
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There is a HUGE difference between coaching in the Mountain West vs coaching in a BCS conference. There are a ton of things that you can get away with in the Mountain West that you'd never be able to get away with in the SEC, Big 10 etc.

 
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(milohimself @ Jun 30 said:
And how did that turn out for the 49'ers? Alex Smith probably won't last in the NFL. And aside from a WR, Utah's talent was relative to the rest of the MWC.

I'm still baffled why people draw these comparisons. Coaching in the Mountain West isn't any easier or harder than coaching in the SEC. The talent is still relative to the rest of the teams in the respective conference.
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You made the opposing point. You cant look at Utah's success in sending players to the NFL while he was there as some kind of example of his teams talent. Just because his players didnt go on to get drafted doesnt mean his talent level wasnt better than the rest of the leagues. It was. He is a great recruiter and at almost every offensive position his players at Utah were much more talented than the players on the weak teams they competed against. And, in that conference having a QB good enough to get drafted where Alex Smith did is a HUGE advantage. Do you understand the quality of the secondary and LB corp he was going against game in and game out?
 
#41
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(GAVol @ Jun 30 said:
There is a HUGE difference between coaching in the Mountain West vs coaching in a BCS conference. There are a ton of things that you can get away with in the Mountain West that you'd never be able to get away with in the SEC, Big 10 etc.
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I think it would make the coaching style different, not necesarily harder.
 
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(milohimself @ Jul 1 said:
I think it would make the coaching style different, not necesarily harder.
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If you don't believe there's a difference from one level to another, go ask Steve Spurrier.
 
#45
#45
I am not sure of the usefulness of such lists, other than fodder for internet boards, and to label it "best" and "worst" is misleading. It is a list of "hottest" or "sexiest" and, well, whatever the opposite of those are.

Consider that just a couple of years ago Chan Gailey, John L. Smith, Dennis Francione, and Al Groh might have made the "best" list. It is amazing how much dumber and less capable those guys have gotten in just a couple of years. By the same token, Mack Brown might have gotten a few votes for the "worst" list before last year, and Urban Meyer, George O'Leary (if that is his real name,) and Kirk Ferentz still have a lot to prove, at least to me, before you can just stamp their name on the plaque; all of them, save Brown, might wind up down there with John L. with a couple of losing seasons.
 
#46
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(cotton @ Jul 1 said:
I am not sure of the usefulness of such lists, other than fodder for internet boards, and to label it "best" and "worst" is misleading. It is a list of "hottest" or "sexiest" and, well, whatever the opposite of those are.

Consider that just a couple of years ago Chan Gailey, John L. Smith, Dennis Francione, and Al Groh might have made the "best" list. It is amazing how much dumber and less capable those guys have gotten in just a couple of years. By the same token, Mack Brown might have gotten a few votes for the "worst" list before last year, and Urban Meyer, George O'Leary (if that is his real name,) and Kirk Ferentz still have a lot to prove, at least to me, before you can just stamp their name on the plaque; all of them, save Brown, might wind up down there with John L. with a couple of losing seasons.
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Please show what Gailey and Groh have ever accomplished that would have merited them being included on a "Best" list.
 
#47
#47
(GAVol @ Jul 1 said:
If you don't believe there's a difference from one level to another, go ask Steve Spurrier.
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Are there any examples of guys who do great in the NFL and not too well in D-IA?
 
#48
#48
It's probably harder to find, because the progression is do well in D-IA, then get the NFL job and stay or leave and go back to college. But maybe there is a guy out there with success in the bigs who didn't do too great in college. Anybody?
 
#49
#49
(hatvol96 @ Jul 1 said:
Please show what Gailey and Groh have ever accomplished that would have merited them being included on a "Best" list.
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Groh was a media darling after his Cav's made the tremendous breakthrough of beating FSU for the second time in 10 years a couple of seasons ago, and Gailey was supposed to have been the savior of Tech's scrambled coaching situation and lead them to the promised land with his Heisman candidate qarterback. Neither worked out quite as well as expected.

So if you could go back a few years, when both were much more highly regarded, and have Steele pen his article then, I think you might find their names on his list, much as you find Ferentz, Meyer, and O'leary there now. The first two names clearly don't belong on it now, and I think it is premature two put the last three on it as well.

I never said that Groh or Gailey should have been on the best list; I said, based on the people on it now, they could have been on Steele's. That, in my opinion, makes the list a little questionable.
 
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