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[Tenacguy50]

Good post OP. :hi:

 

[Obsessedvol]

This fanbase is ridiculous...we don't bicker with other fanbases hardly anymore...we bicker with other vol fans. We are vol fans and we need to come together in this tough time and put aside our opinions and root on the big orange no matter what! GO VOLS!

 

[TheBigOne10]

Why don't all these "good enough"/excuse threads get merged?

Stay in Oregon. I don't want to ever see your NegaVol self step foot in Neyland. You will eat your negative words here before too long.

 

[mtowntim]

This fanbase is ridiculous...we don't bicker with other fanbases hardly anymore...we bicker with other vol fans. We are vol fans and we need to come together in this tough time and put aside our opinions and root on the big orange no matter what! GO VOLS!

If we put aside our opinions, that would pretty much kill this place ehh?

 

[TheBigOne10]

What was Vandy and the 9 other SEC teams that out recruited us selling? I have said it a million times you can not win in the SEC with these classes TN is recruiting. As for NCAA sanctions that is total horse crap and an excuse. Ohio St., Penn State, USC west and half the country have some type of restrictions. Settling for moral victories will not cut it. "we don't even have to keep it close", now I have heard everything.

He had 7 weeks to recruit!! Most coaches have months or even years to develop a relationship with their recruiting targets or try to sell what they are trying to accomplish.. you will be dumbfounded when we land a top 10 class next year. It's unreal how negative/unintelligent a small portion of our fan base is.

 

[MG1968]

What was Vandy and the 9 other SEC teams that out recruited us selling? I have said it a million times you can not win in the SEC with these classes TN is recruiting. As for NCAA sanctions that is total horse crap and an excuse. Ohio St., Penn State, USC west and half the country have some type of restrictions. Settling for moral victories will not cut it. "we don't even have to keep it close", now I have heard everything.

most of them had winning seasons, many of them beat UT, and two or three of them had won national championships in the last 5 years

OSU just went 12-0
Penn State just defied all expectations and were being unfairly punished by the NCAA
USC is in the middle of one of the best recruiting areas in the country

Butch Jones has an uphill battle and it's only being made worse by a bunch of armchair analysts declaring that he is the second coming of Lee Corso.

 

[oldfartvol]

Some nice checks are getting spread around at Ole Miss. No way they sign a class like that without a little help. I give it a year or two before the NCAA investigates them.

Agree. "O'Bearcare" for the financially challenged. You know, spread the wealth etc. etc.

 

[Neyland123]

The Ravens and 49'ers had 34 players that were 2 stars or less on their rosters. They had 33 players that were 4 stars or more on their rosters. Stars do not mean everything. Stars do not show the heart, determination or work ethics of a person. Also I believe CBJ can take a player and turn him from a 2 star to a 4 star with his coaching ability and work habits. Where a coach like Dooley , Sunseri or Kiffin can take a 4 star and make him look like a 2 star.

 

[Alto1]

The tantrum people over Ole Miss recruiting and Auburn recruiting sicken me. Really. I was BEYOND pissed when the text rolled in that Bell had signed with OSU. That being said, Butch Jones had pulled quite an impressive feat as it is.

Ole Miss: Hugh Freeze is going to make Ole Miss a contender in the West again. He had enough bright spots in his 6-6 first season to go out and relentlessly sell his school, and in case you haven't been, Ole Miss has a lot to sell on their campus not directly football related.

Auburn: National Champions in the past 5 years, which btw, CAN NOT BE OVERPLAYED!!! Why? Cause anyone who followed football these past 5 years knows it was GUS who engineered their run, who coached Cam Newton, the one and done superstar that remains fresh in everyone's mind's with TV commercials and the like, and GUS is only one or two years removed from the Auburn program. Gus' absence did one thing in recruit's minds: let them know Gus was the reason for all off Chizik's success.

Now to Tennessee: 5 years, 4 coaches, NCAA sanctions, and 2 BACK-TO-BACK losing seasons. And we expect the new coach to land the number 4 player IN THE NATION in 30 days?!? Or repair the destroyed relationship of the 5-star recruit and beat out two coaches with back-to-back national championship resumes? Sickening.

The good news? Here you go: Butch Jones has in 30 days done one thing with this class: solidified UT's presence again in the mind of the recruit. If anything, the Bell recruitment has struck a chord with the legacy recruits after seeing the backlash and pain that followed Bell's Debacle. Like the fact's said, he gained 12 NEW recruits in those 30 days, and 8 of those were commits elsewhere. And they weren't 2* players, they were 3 and 4* players.

Goals needed on this season? Got those, too: Make the Oregon game interesting. You don't need to win, and you really don't HAVE to have it be close, but a close loss or a victory over a down-trending Oregon team will put a statement on everything Butch is trying to sell next year.
Second: Win the easy games, and put a stamp on Vandy and Auburn. Those are the two most critical games this year, bar none. Not Florida. Not Alabama. We. Aren't. There. Yet. Deal with it. Vandy and Auburn are our two biggest challenges when battling for recruit's this year, and because of this Butch needs to put a solid win over both THIS YEAR. A win over Auburn negates ALL of Auburn's advantages over us, and a BIG win over Vandy puts a lot of assurance back into in-state recruits over where the real power lies in Tennessee.

Well the goals were met, but what else does Butch have to sell? The top facilities IN THE COUNTRY, as of this year, the SEC, NFL potential that is STILL here, along with our rich history and tradition, all amplified by a new attitude and an up-trend season.

Good common sense post....... Thanks!! :good!:

 

[terrypedigo]

Some nice checks are getting spread around at Ole Miss. No way they sign a class like that without a little help. I give it a year or two before the NCAA investigates them.

The same will be said about us next year, I guess a nice problem to have.

 

[kdbduffer]

Actually, everytime I try to post a thread about how bad our class is, it gets merged. So instead, I have to come into every thread here to talk about it. Thanks, mods!

Yes, you have come into almost every thread talking about how bad this class is. I believe I read in one of your other posts how you welcomed Coach Jones after he was hired. 30+ days later, your ready to throw him under the bus for a recruiting class that does not meet your expectations. If you don't like it, don't watch and don't post. The recruiting period is not over, and practices have not started. Give the staff a chance to coach these young men up that want to play for UT.

This has probably fallen on deaf ears. That being said, good post OP.

Welcome to the 2013 recruiting class. Good luck, and dare to be great on the field and off! GBO! :rock:

 

[champyvol]

The tantrum people over Ole Miss recruiting and Auburn recruiting sicken me. Really. I was BEYOND pissed when the text rolled in that Bell had signed with OSU. That being said, Butch Jones had pulled quite an impressive feat as it is.

Ole Miss: Hugh Freeze is going to make Ole Miss a contender in the West again. He had enough bright spots in his 6-6 first season to go out and relentlessly sell his school, and in case you haven't been, Ole Miss has a lot to sell on their campus not directly football related.

Auburn: National Champions in the past 5 years, which btw, CAN NOT BE OVERPLAYED!!! Why? Cause anyone who followed football these past 5 years knows it was GUS who engineered their run, who coached Cam Newton, the one and done superstar that remains fresh in everyone's mind's with TV commercials and the like, and GUS is only one or two years removed from the Auburn program. Gus' absence did one thing in recruit's minds: let them know Gus was the reason for all off Chizik's success.

Now to Tennessee: 5 years, 4 coaches, NCAA sanctions, and 2 BACK-TO-BACK losing seasons. And we expect the new coach to land the number 4 player IN THE NATION in 30 days?!? Or repair the destroyed relationship of the 5-star recruit and beat out two coaches with back-to-back national championship resumes? Sickening.

The good news? Here you go: Butch Jones has in 30 days done one thing with this class: solidified UT's presence again in the mind of the recruit. If anything, the Bell recruitment has struck a chord with the legacy recruits after seeing the backlash and pain that followed Bell's Debacle. Like the fact's said, he gained 12 NEW recruits in those 30 days, and 8 of those were commits elsewhere. And they weren't 2* players, they were 3 and 4* players.

Goals needed on this season? Got those, too: Make the Oregon game interesting. You don't need to win, and you really don't HAVE to have it be close, but a close loss or a victory over a down-trending Oregon team will put a statement on everything Butch is trying to sell next year.
Second: Win the easy games, and put a stamp on Vandy and Auburn. Those are the two most critical games this year, bar none. Not Florida. Not Alabama. We. Aren't. There. Yet. Deal with it. Vandy and Auburn are our two biggest challenges when battling for recruit's this year, and because of this Butch needs to put a solid win over both THIS YEAR. A win over Auburn negates ALL of Auburn's advantages over us, and a BIG win over Vandy puts a lot of assurance back into in-state recruits over where the real power lies in Tennessee.

Well the goals were met, but what else does Butch have to sell? The top facilities IN THE COUNTRY, as of this year, the SEC, NFL potential that is STILL here, along with our rich history and tradition, all amplified by a new attitude and an up-trend season.

the excuses why jones can't close and we suck. so far nothing to be optomistic or impressed about. he is 0 for 2 let's see how he does on the field in the fall.

 

[thebjd]

The Ravens and 49'ers had 34 players that were 2 stars or less on their rosters. They had 33 players that were 4 stars or more on their rosters. Stars do not mean everything. Stars do not show the heart, determination or work ethics of a person. Also I believe CBJ can take a player and turn him from a 2 star to a 4 star with his coaching ability and work habits. Where a coach like Dooley , Sunseri or Kiffin can take a 4 star and make him look like a 2 star.

How many 2 stars are in the world vs 4 stars? I really hate this argument and seeing it debunked time after time.

 

[Neyland123]

How many 2 stars are in the world vs 4 stars? I really hate this argument and seeing it debunked time after time.

I don't know how many are in the world but the Ravens and 49ers had more of them than 4 stars. But you must think it's just the stars that makes the player great. Do you believe Dooley could win 3 NC in four years with Sabans recruits if you do then you live in a fantasy world!

 

[VolunteerTitan3]

For all you football mental giants that wanted Charlie Strong as HC - his class finished #57 according to rivals (I know there are other services...I chose this one). SO CBJ isn't doing so badly is he? Don't give me "Yea, but he's at Louisville and we're in ....". He has won, is winning and had a huge upset on a nationally televised game to boost his efforts.

Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com 2013 Team Recruiting Rankings

Nevertheless, with the talent he had, he spanked Florida hard in the Orange Bowl. If this recruiting class summarizes the talent levels...take a look at this comparison of Fla and Louisville based on the number of "stars" that committed.

Florida:
5* - 2
4* - 14
3* - 11

Louisville:
5* - 0
4* - 1
3* - 13

As we've said before and beaten repeatedly, what matters is AFTER you get them.

Hell yes! I like this post. Great points made here.

 

[gemlek]

When we had top 5 recruiting class in the 1990's, the star ranking system was quoted as gospel....now that our recruiting class sucks, there are those who discount or explain away those same ranking systems.

"the hob-gobblin of simple minds is consistency"

 

[sjt18]

Why don't all these "good enough"/excuse threads get merged?

For the same reason all of the negative and very redundant comments about a guy who hasn't had a chance to prove his worth aren't merged...?

 

[sjt18]

How many 2 stars are in the world vs 4 stars? I really hate this argument and seeing it debunked time after time.

It has never been debunked if I understand the gist of that post. Stars ARE meaningful for the guys who get them.

If the recruiting svcs give a guy 4 or 5 stars then the probability is that they have talent. But every year there will be at least as many 2/3* players with the talent to get the higher rating that are either unnoticed or underrated. Others are late bloomers who come into their own.

I hope that no one thinks that ratings are meaningless. But what the post actually said that you responded to is correct... stars don't mean "everything". They mean "something" but not EVERYTHING.

 

[Biopsyman]

The goal is to win the game. Herm Edwards