Simple Solution to Playoff Enigma

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jackaro said:
Conference championships are not valued anymore and that is a shame. Same thing happened with the NCAA basketball tournament, so many people only care about how far a team goes in the tournament and do not value the regular season at all. Things change, I get it, but I still mourn the loss of things I value. I hate the CFP and hate what it has done to the sport.
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And, ironically there is an easy fix for BBall too, regular season conference champs get automatic bid in, IF you win the conference tournament you get to choose what bracket you,re in (where you play!) OR EVEN BETTTER, if you win both, you get to host games until the final four!

Do the similar for football, (16 teams) regular season winner, automatic in, conference champion hosts game 1, win both, host game 2 as well. Conference champ loser guaranteed in AND host game 1.

Too work, ALL teams have to be in a conference (4 Majors), so 8 teams auto in. 4 at large!
 
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Flathead75 said:
I kinda favor letting the top 12 ranked teams into the playoffs, play the games and call it a day!
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I agree completely, but that means that this wouldn't be overly convoluted popularity contest. I mean BYU is undefeated and should be in the top 4.
 
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Raebo said:
The problem isn’t going to be the teams left out, the problem is there will be teams in the playoffs that aren’t elite and shouldn’t sniff a National Championship. The 4 team playoff was probably fine and a 8 team playoff would have insured the top 3-4 teams would be in the playoffs. There will be arguments every years that 2-5 (good but not elite) teams should have been in the playoffs instead of some of the teams that are in the playoffs.
I know, it’s about the money and bowl games have lost their luster.
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Oh I completely agree. I hate it. But that argument is moot.
 
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VolPack22 said:
You know the format is flawed whenever it is more of a reward to finish as the 5 seed than it is a first round bye. You get the Group of 5 rep first round and the Big 12 rep the next round. Easiest path to the semis.
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How is finishing 5th better than getting a 1st Rd bye?? It's not!
 
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jasonvol18 said:
How is finishing 5th better than getting a 1st Rd bye?? It's not!
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Because you get an easier path to the final 4. You would likely play the G5 champ and then the weaker of the conference champs.
I heard one of the analysts say that you may see the G5 champ be seeded higher than 12 so it may not be as easy as I think. I agree that conference champs should get in, but that should not guarantee you a bye if there are others ranked higher. If you keep this system, top 4 ranked teams should get a bye, not just auto for the P4 champs.
And, FWIW, I would not want to play Indiana. At all. I think they will either beat osu or scare the crap out of them and lose by only a couple points. I am so glad Cignetti is not in the SEC.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
I agree about expanding the playoffs to 16 with no bye but in order to do this, they would need to eliminate the conference championship games and just declare a conference winner at the end of the regular season. Why? Because for the teams who get into the playoffs but aren't playing in conference championship games, that WOULD be a bye week for them!
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Which conferences do not have a conference championship? I thought all power conferences do.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
The most simple solution of all to OUR playoff enigma. Line up and beat whoever is put in front of us.
Trust me, that works 100% of the time.
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Unless you’re FSU last year, Auburn in 2004, or UCF, or Boise State.. You can beat everyone in front of you and still not win.
 
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adam.vol said:
Unless you’re FSU last year, Auburn in 2004, or UCF, or Boise State.. You can beat everyone in front of you and still not win.
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Auburn screwed themselves by playing Citadel. All they needed to do was play Duke, or any number of D1 teams that they would beat by 28 instead of 30 and they were easily in.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Auburn screwed themselves by playing Citadel. All they needed to do was play Duke, or any number of D1 teams that they would beat by 28 instead of 30 and they were easily in.
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Bull spit.. Their SOR was way better than Oklahoma’s or USC’s. I don’t even need to look it up to know they beat more ranked opponents. The PAC 10 and the Big 12 were always weak. That’s why their best teams left them.
 
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adam.vol said:
Which conferences do not have a conference championship? I thought all power conferences do.
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He's talking about a team that finishes 3rd or 4th in their conference, like Indiana and Penn St. Both could have one loss, miss the Big10 championship game, but still get in the playoffs by avoiding the championship game which would presumably be Oregon vs Ohio St.
 
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adam.vol said:
Unless you’re FSU last year, Auburn in 2004, or UCF, or Boise State.. You can beat everyone in front of you and still not win.
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Not the UT. Our fan base travels too well. Our fans spend big money at venue locations. Despite the apparent resentment for Tennessee, the haters prefer we be present than absent. We're fun, profitable, exciting, whether we win or lose. They us as a cash cow, even if they hate us. We're the University of Tennessee!
 
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jasonvol18 said:
How is finishing 5th better than getting a 1st Rd bye?? It's not!
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Because if the season ended today Ohio State would play Boise State and BYU. Conversely, Oregon would get stuck playing Tennessee/Indiana, Georgia would have Penn State/Notre Dame, and Miami would get Alabama/Texas. 5 seed is the easiest path to the semis because you are playing the Group of 5 team and the worst conference champion. Its not that hard to see.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
I think we will likely see a format seeded on playoff rank in the near future. IOW, Big 12 champ might be seeded 10th in playoffs. 2 teams from one conference in top 4 seeds, much like previous format
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In 2026 when the 14 team playoffs begins, there probably will be only 2 first round byes most like going to top 2 ranked conference champions.

Then in a couple of years when CFP goes to 16 teams (and it's coming), no team will get a bye just conference champions probably get a first round home game.
 
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knoxvol52 said:
In 2026 when the 14 team playoffs begins, there probably will be only 2 first round byes most like going to top 2 ranked conference champions.

Then in a couple of years when CFP goes to 16 teams (and it's coming), no team will get a bye just conference champions probably get a first round home game.
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That's why I mentioned in a previous post they should go with the FCS model because it seems to work
 
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adam.vol said:
Bull spit.. Their SOR was way better than Oklahoma’s or USC’s. I don’t even need to look it up to know they beat more ranked opponents. The PAC 10 and the Big 12 were always weak. That’s why their best teams left them.
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In the regular season at time of game, Oklahoma played 3 ranked teams, USC 2, and Auburn 3. It was no secret that playing a 1-AA team hurt the SOS, and that bit Auburn. USC and Oklahoma only played 1-A teams.
 
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whobethis16 said:
In the regular season at time of game, Oklahoma played 3 ranked teams, USC 2, and Auburn 3. It was no secret that playing a 1-AA team hurt the SOS, and that bit Auburn. USC and Oklahoma only played 1-A teams.
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If we’re talking about when they played, I found the following:

Auburn beat 3 top 10 teams in the regular season and a 15th ranked TN in the conference championship.
USC played two ranked teams prior to their bowl game. Only one win against a top 10 program (7th ranked Cal).
Oklahoma beat 3 ranked opponents. Only one ranked inside the top 10 (5th ranked Texas).

Surely we can agree that achieving a perfect record is much more difficult against top 10 opponents.
 
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adam.vol said:
If we’re talking about when they played, I found the following:

Auburn beat 3 top 10 teams in the regular season and a 15th ranked TN in the conference championship.
USC played two ranked teams prior to their bowl game. Only one win against a top 10 program (7th ranked Cal).
Oklahoma beat 3 ranked opponents. Only one ranked inside the top 10 (5th ranked Texas).

Surely we can agree that achieving a perfect record is much more difficult against top 10 opponents.
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We can also agree that it's easier getting 2 of 3 of those ranked games at home, plus having a game vs a 1-AA team instead of 2 of 3 ranked games on the road plus only playing 1-A teams.


And just a heads up, this shows Auburn's SOS as the 3rd highest of the top 3, and 47th overall. That Citadel game killed them, like I said.
 
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whobethis16 said:
We can also agree that it's easier getting 2 of 3 of those ranked games at home, plus having a game vs a 1-AA team instead of 2 of 3 ranked games on the road plus only playing 1-A teams.


And just a heads up, this shows Auburn's SOS as the 3rd highest of the top 3, and 47th overall. That Citadel game killed them, like I said.
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Im not at all familiar with how power ratings determine strength of schedule.

The major problem with the BCS SOS was that it only accounted for wins and losses of said school, aa well as their opponents’ wins and losses. The computers did not factor in quality of opponents.

Did Citadel’s record not count? Because two of the biggest upsets of FBS schools by FCS schools were members of the PAC 10.

For example:
Appalachian State defeated No. 5 Michigan (2007)
James Madison def. No. 13 Va. Tech (2010)
Eastern Wash. def. No. 25 Oregon State (2013)
ND State def No. 13 Iowa (2016)
Montana def. No. 20 Washington (2021)
 
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I am fine with rewarding the conference champions. That is how it should work.

And if you are not going to reward the conference champion then there is (1) no need for conference play to decide the best one or two teams and (2) no reason to play for the championship.
 
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