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[hohenfelsvol]

Why is ND a better job then UT?





These are the only points there is even room to argue with IMO.

Not sure if better job is correct. My guess is it is probably a lot harder job there. You are definitly under a microscope more.

Just went to NC game. Yes. But there really is a good argument as to whether they really deserved to be there.

More talented current roster. Probably so, but see NC game for where the argument can be made.

Not saying I disagree, just saying I can see where there is room for argument.

I will say this...as much as I hate Bama.....I hate ND even more, and was glad to see them get the dog snot beat out of them. But that clearly is JMO.

Don't disagree with your bolded points. ND got spanked and I loved watching it. They did go undefeated but got some help. Hell, so did the Vols in 98.

But just as the Yankees the Notre Dame brand is more out there than the Vols. It's a high vis job whether we like them or not. That gives the job the edge, imo.

 

[BaldBiker]

Don't disagree with your bolded points. ND got spanked and I loved watching it. They did go undefeated but got some help. Hell, so did the Vols in 98.

But just as the Yankees the Notre Dame brand is more out there than the Vols. It's a high vis job whether we like them or not. That gives the job the edge, imo.[/QUOTE]


I agree whole heartedly, except I feel that is the reason why it may not be a better job. I think that is what makes it a harder job for most at least. Now. If you really are the next coming of "Rockne" and can really do well year in and year out......then by all means it is a better job.

But that national spotlight they have makes things tough. I would be saying the same thing about Alabama if Saban were too leave. The next guy to come in....even with their roster, would be in for a very hard job.

 

[BaldBiker]

Of course the $$$$ paid probably evens all that out.

 

[volgrl]

Why is ND a better job then UT?





These are the only points there is even room to argue with IMO.

Not sure if better job is correct. My guess is it is probably a lot harder job there. You are definitly under a microscope more.

Just went to NC game. Yes. But there really is a good argument as to whether they really deserved to be there.

More talented current roster. Probably so, but see NC game for where the argument can be made.

Not saying I disagree, just saying I can see where there is room for argument.

I will say this...as much as I hate Bama.....I hate ND even more, and was glad to see them get the dog snot beat out of them. But that clearly is JMO.

Ok. I will admit that I have on orange tinted glasses...but a coach that chooses a job making him the 4th coach in 5 years to play in the most difficult conference in the country and who is required, every year, to play the team that spanked ND in the National Championship, as well as having to compete with the power houses every single year for recruits, and who literally has a fan base that is so hostile that they are willing to riot and burn things when frustrated, leads me to believe that Tennessee is the much "harder" job.

 

[VOLinthaNATI]

Why is ND a better job then UT?

Not sure if better job is correct. My guess is it is probably a lot harder job there. You are definitly under a microscope more.

Is this a freaking joke?

-People want to run our coach off already and he hasn't coached 1 game.

-People were ready to fire Counzo after the Memphis game last year.

-We play in the SEC and therefore do not get the privilege of scheduling whoever we want

-ND is a national brand and therefore can recruit everywhere.

-UT is not blessed with a fertile crop of in-state talent such as Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina. Those are only the schools in our division.

I could go on and on.

I'm literally shocked people are even trying to debate this.

 

[BaldBiker]

Is this a freaking joke?

-People want to run our coach off already and he hasn't coached 1 game.

-People were ready to fire Counzo after the Memphis game last year.

-We play in the SEC and therefore do not get the privilege of scheduling whoever we want

-ND is a national brand and therefore can recruit everywhere.

-UT is not blessed with a fertile crop of in-state talent such as Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina. Those are only the schools in our division.

I could go on and on.

I'm literally shocked people are even trying to debate this.

Are you actually reading the posts, or just scanning for words that you can argue with and call someone an idiot over?

Seriously. If you have a problem with the fact that people do not neccesarily see things the exact same way you do, this really is not the place for you to be.

Because, if you actually read my post, you would see that I probably agree about 90% with you.

 

[BaldBiker]

Ok. I will admit that I have on orange tinted glasses...but a coach that chooses a job making him the 4th coach in 5 years to play in the most difficult conference in the country and who is required, every year, to play the team that spanked ND in the National Championship, as well as having to compete with the power houses every single year for recruits, and who literally has a fan base that is so hostile that they are willing to riot and burn things when frustrated, leads me to believe that Tennessee is the much "harder" job.

All valid points. Here are a couple of things to consider though. UT fanbase really isn't any different than any other big schools fanbase. It just seems that way right now, because we are the ones that are down. ND wants wins just like any other school, which is why they have the patsy schedule they have. Being in the National limelight, expected to win, with a patsy schedule.....makes for a pretty difficult job, when you know you REALLY don't have that kind of talent level year in and year out.

But, as my first post on the subject said. I don't neccesarily disagree with you. I was saying that I understood where others were coming up with their side of the argument.

 

[BaldBiker]

My one personal belief on the subject is.

TN at least has one built in excuse for having bad seasons or bad stretches of seasons. Just like every other SEC school. WE PLAY IN THE FREAKIN SEC!

ND is going to be in the national spotlight every year. The media ensures that. They are talked up every year. They schedule their games to get the most wins without looking like complete patsy wins. IMO everything that is done there is done to get them to a NC game which they won't win.

The play off system IMO will make ND obselete. It will not matter how they schedule. If they make the playoffs they will be out the 1st round. The only way they will make it in CFB will be to actually join a real league.

 

[VOLinthaNATI]

Are you actually reading the posts, or just scanning for words that you can argue with and call someone an idiot over?

Seriously. If you have a problem with the fact that people do not neccesarily see things the exact same way you do, this really is not the place for you to be.

Because, if you actually read my post, you would see that I probably agree about 90% with you.

I love one year members telling me this isn't the place for me. Get a clue.

 

[VOLinthaNATI]

My one personal belief on the subject is.

TN at least has one built in excuse for having bad seasons or bad stretches of seasons. Just like every other SEC school. WE PLAY IN THE FREAKIN SEC!

ND is going to be in the national spotlight every year. The media ensures that. They are talked up every year. They schedule their games to get the most wins without looking like complete patsy wins. IMO everything that is done there is done to get them to a NC game which they won't win.

The play off system IMO will make ND obselete. It will not matter how they schedule. If they make the playoffs they will be out the 1st round. The only way they will make it in CFB will be to actually join a real league.

Trips to USC and Oklahoma didn't really appear "patsy" in the preseason my friend. Therefore saying they only schedule patsy teams so they can rack up wins is laughable. They also played and beat a top 10 Stanford team. I'm sorry but you're flat wrong on this.

 

[BaldBiker]

I love one year members telling me this isn't the place for me. Get a clue.

lol.....you make me laugh dude.

Did not realize the time I signed up on here made a difference. I'll keep that in mind for future reference. Call me a noob next, that would really teach me a lesson. lol:

Get butthurt much?

 

[VOLinthaNATI]

lol.....you make me laugh dude.

Did not realize the time I signed up on here made a difference. I'll keep that in mind for future reference. Call me a noob next, that would really teach me a lesson. lol:

Get butthurt much?

I can guarantee you that I have never and will never get butthurt on a public anonymous message board. It isn't and will never be that serious. Thanks for playing. :good!:

 

[Brak]

If that were to happen forget mattresses, people would start burning entire bedroom sets.

 

[BaldBiker]

Trips to USC and Oklahoma didn't really appear "patsy" in the preseason my friend. Therefore saying they only schedule patsy teams so they can rack up wins is laughable. They also played and beat a top 10 Stanford team. I'm sorry but you're flat wrong on this.

You are correct. Those 3 schools looked good on the schedule at the beginning of the year. Thus my staement of not making it look like too much of a patsy schedule......flat wrong......i think not.

42-14 makes my argument a little more valid than yours, but hey The BCS polls say ND are still #1 even after the a$$ whoopin they took, so you still have that I guess.

 

[VOLinthaNATI]

You are correct. Those 3 schools looked good on the schedule at the beginning of the year. Thus my staement of not making it look like too much of a patsy schedule......flat wrong......i think not.

42-14 makes my argument a little more valid than yours, but hey The BCS polls say ND are still #1 even after the a$$ whoopin they took, so you still have that I guess.

My argument? What in the world are you talking about? The only thing I am pointing out in this thread is that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

 

[VOLinthaNATI]

Yeah let's not make our schedule look too easy, we'll schedule games ON THE ROAD against 2 historically top 5 programs. Seems legit.

 

[Doolittle 1720]

If I remember correctly there were people on here when dooley was hired that were so worried that we were almost immediately losing him to ga. Butch has not signed a class yet or played a game, so let's not take this too seriously.

 

[VOLinthaNATI]

Also what is his buyout? Considering he's in the first year I believe the buyout is fairly large. ND ain't paying that plus 3+ million a year to hire Butch Jones. Not ripping on our coach but just being realistic.

 

[BaldBiker]

My argument? What in the world are you talking about? The only thing I am pointing out in this thread is that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

So what you are saying is that as long as 3 out of your 12 scheduled games in a year are aginst histoically top 5 teams it should not be considered a patsy schedule?

I am strictly basing this off of what you have posted. If you answer yes, i will leave you alone about it, because clearly that is your opinion. Understand though. I do not and will not ever agree with that opinion.

If that is also how you decide whether someone HAS A CLUE what their talking about (along with their sign up date on VN), then we have something else we will never agree on.

 

[VOLinthaNATI]

So what you are saying is that as long as 3 out of your 12 scheduled games in a year are aginst histoically top 5 teams it should not be considered a patsy schedule?

Where did I say anything remotely close to the above? Please find it and quote it. Nobody plays a full schedule of Top 25 programs. You're obviously an ND hater and that is fine. That's your right. Haters gon hate. :thumbsup:

 

[gnm53108]

Card carring ND hater here.

 

[YorkVol]

The one area where ND is truly greater than UTK is media relations. They make movies about ND and get more positive press than anyone in the country. Consequently, their fans adore anyone involved in the program.

The Vols face a hostile press daily and can barely get ESPN to do 30 minutes on one of the countries' biggest civil rights moments. Consequently, our fanbase is jaded and divided beyond belief to the point we will vilify coaches, players and even recruits who haven't stepped on campus.

 

[volgrl]

All valid points. Here are a couple of things to consider though. UT fanbase really isn't any different than any other big schools fanbase. It just seems that way right now, because we are the ones that are down. ND wants wins just like any other school, which is why they have the patsy schedule they have. Being in the National limelight, expected to win, with a patsy schedule.....makes for a pretty difficult job, when you know you REALLY don't have that kind of talent level year in and year out.

But, as my first post on the subject said. I don't neccesarily disagree with you. I was saying that I understood where others were coming up with their side of the argument.

I have to respectfully disagree here again. Our fan base is different. We are known to be some of the most passionate in all of football. It is mentioned constantly and polls and "best stadium" and "best game day atmosphere" contests always have Tennessee at or near the top. I have been a Tennessee fan for as long as I can remember. I was watching in the 80's and I was at school 96-2001...So I can assure you that we are as passionate when we are up as we are when we are down. It does not just "seem" that way. It IS that way. I just had to say that. I know you are getting crap but...I just needed to correct your assessment of our fan base.

 

[TNinSC]

Its already a done deal, a buddy of mine named VolReporter told me that ND already hired Butch and that UT will anounce Jon Gruden on the 21st

I don't believe ANY Gruden rumors that surface on this board anymore.

 

[BaldBiker]

Where did I say anything remotely close to the above? Please find it and quote it. Nobody plays a full schedule of Top 25 programs. You're obviously an ND hater and that is fine. That's your right. Haters gon hate. :thumbsup:

My statement:

ND is going to be in the national spotlight every year. The media ensures that. They are talked up every year. They schedule their games to get the most wins "without looking like complete patsy wins". IMO everything that is done there is done to get them to a NC game which they won't win.

No mention of whether or not they play any good teams, just that it is a lot more padded schedule than others.

Your Statement:

Trips to USC and Oklahoma didn't really appear "patsy" in the preseason my friend. Therefore saying they only schedule patsy teams so they can rack up wins is laughable. They also played and beat a top 10 Stanford team. I'm sorry but you're flat wrong on this.

Did I miss something? I only see 3 schools mentioned for a 12 game season.

My statement:

You are correct. Those 3 schools looked good on the schedule at the beginning of the year. Thus my staement of not making it look like too much of a patsy schedule......flat wrong......i think not.

Acknowledgeing the 3 schools you mentioned.

Your retort:

My argument? What in the world are you talking about? The only thing I am pointing out in this thread is that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

I guess you had forgotten what you had just typed?

Me giving you an out:

So what you are saying is that as long as 3 out of your 12 scheduled games in a year are aginst histoically top 5 teams it should not be considered a patsy schedule?

I am strictly basing this off of what you have posted. If you answer yes, i will leave you alone about it, because clearly that is your opinion. Understand though. I do not and will not ever agree with that opinion.

You not taking the out offered:

Where did I say anything remotely close to the above? Please find it and quote it. Nobody plays a full schedule of Top 25 programs. You're obviously an ND hater and that is fine. That's your right. Haters gon hate.

Just because someone does not agree with you is no reason to say they are clueless.

And yes, I hate ND with a passion.