Single elimination normal for SEC semi/final?

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Was the single elimination format for the SEC baseball tournament semifinals/finals because of the rain delay or is that the normal format? In a way, it wasn’t fair to Texas A&M and Tennessee to possibly get eliminated with only 1 loss. I asked people working in Hoover and received both opposite answers.

Anyway it was awesome and the Hoover experience was great. The people working there were so nice. Parking was easy.

Now we need the Trifecta- football to add to our basketball and baseball championships.
 
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Was the single elimination format for the SEC baseball tournament semifinals/finals because of the rain delay or is that the normal format? In a way, it wasn’t fair to Texas A&M and Tennessee to possibly get eliminated with only 1 loss. I asked people working in Hoover and received both opposite answers.

Anyway it was awesome and the Hoover experience was great. The people working there were so nice. Parking was easy.

Now we need the Trifecta- football to add to our basketball and baseball championships.
 
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Orange-heart said:
Was the single elimination format for the SEC baseball tournament semifinals/finals because of the rain delay or is that the normal format? In a way, it wasn’t fair to Texas A&M and Tennessee to possibly get eliminated with only 1 loss. I asked people working in Hoover and received both opposite answers.

Anyway it was awesome and the Hoover experience was great. The people working there were so nice. Parking was easy.

Now we need the Trifecta- football to add to our basketball and baseball championships.
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It was normal format. The double headers being played on Saturday was not normal. That was the only way to get all of the games in. This is how the format has been since Missouri and A&M joined.
 
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Yep. . .makes you wonder if that 2nd bye is worth it, worked for the Vols but not so much for A&M.

Hoover is a nice venue. I commend the Met grounds crew, they sure did their job. Rain delays puts everyone in bad situation, without some divine help it may have ended badly. So there are couple of changes I would like to see.

No #1 or any seed should not be playing at oh dark thirty. Hoover needs an additional field built. Sure would have benefited from having another one this go around. Use both fields and put the SECN Alt channel to work. SEC could schedule a couple of non-conference neutral site games there too. Play a little softball there.

If you're in the Winner's bracket then the higher seed should always be the home team. Seriously, you have your #1 seed as the away team in it's last two games.

SEC has to develop and publish a tournament inclement weather plan. Simply have to have one!
 
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WillisWG said:
Yep. . .makes you wonder if that 2nd bye is worth it, worked for the Vols but not so much for A&M.

Hoover is a nice venue. I commend the Met grounds crew, they sure did their job. Rain delays puts everyone in bad situation, without some divine help it may have ended badly. So there are couple of changes I would like to see.

No #1 or any seed should be playing at oh dark thirty. Hoover needs an additional field built. Sure would have benefited from having another one this go around. Use both fields and put the SECN Alt channel to work. SEC could schedule a couple of non-conference neutral site games there too. Play a little softball there.

If you're in the Winner's bracket then the higher seed should always be the home team. Seriously, you have your #1 seed as the away team in it's last two games.

SEC has to develop and publish a tournament inclement weather plan. Simply have to have one!
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The SEC having a plan?!?! They are more of a go with the flow sort of bunch 😂
 
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WillisWG said:
Yep. . .makes you wonder if that 2nd bye is worth it, worked for the Vols but not so much for A&M.

Hoover is a nice venue. I commend the Met grounds crew, they sure did their job. Rain delays puts everyone in bad situation, without some divine help it may have ended badly. So there are couple of changes I would like to see.

No #1 or any seed should be playing at oh dark thirty. Hoover needs an additional field built. Sure would have benefited from having another one this go around. Use both fields and put the SECN Alt channel to work. SEC could schedule a couple of non-conference neutral site games there too. Play a little softball there.

If you're in the Winner's bracket then the higher seed should always be the home team. Seriously, you have your #1 seed as the away team in it's last two games.

SEC has to develop and publish a tournament inclement weather plan. Simply have to have one!
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It's almost funny because your change requests are so obviously common sense it's both laughable and sad they aren't already part of the game...
 
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eaglevol said:
What is the reasoning for having the conference champion to be the visiting team in the semis and finals?
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It’s part of the thinking in today’s world where everyone gets a participation trophy and they think everything should be equal and they don’t want teams being the road team every game. What they don’t realize is that if a #1 seed is playing a #7/#12 seed, there is nothing those lower seeds have done to deserve being the home team in any scenario. They had 30 games to get what they deserved and they are only punishing the higher seeds.
 
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Orange-heart said:
Was the single elimination format for the SEC baseball tournament semifinals/finals because of the rain delay or is that the normal format? In a way, it wasn’t fair to Texas A&M and Tennessee to possibly get eliminated with only 1 loss. I asked people working in Hoover and received both opposite answers.

Anyway it was awesome and the Hoover experience was great. The people working there were so nice. Parking was easy.

Now we need the Trifecta- football to add to our basketball and baseball championships.
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The normal format is single elimination for the 1st round, semifinals and finals. Double elimination is for the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds. That’s the only way to get all the games in is by doing it this way. It’s been this way as long as I can remember. Rain had nothing to do with it as far as single and double elimination. Rain just compacted the schedules where teams had to play multiple games in one day to have a chance to advance to Sunday.
 
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eaglevol said:
What is the reasoning for having the conference champion to be the visiting team in the semis and finals?
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My understanding is the SEC uses the CWS format, however looking through the SEC/CWS rules I could not find it. Apparently, this format was put in place back when the CWS was a double elimination tournament to help manage pitching and tie breaker advantages.

A true double elimination is a test of endurance for pitching. If you are the visiting team in a tournament you use a pitcher all but one inning, home team uses a pitcher in every inning. I agreed it checks the pitching advantage as a team get deeper into a tournament.

Tie-breakers were based on run scored, runs allowed and runs differential, as home team your scoring opportunities are reduced. Again I agree this checks any tie-breaker advantage.


Step 1: The team has been the home team fewer times during the tournament becomes the home team.

Step 2: If both teams were the home team the same number of times, count the number of times each team was the visiting team during the tournament. The team that was the visiting team more often during the tournament becomes the home team.

Step 3: If both teams were the home team and visiting team the same number of times and the teams met previously during the tournament, the visitor in the immediately preceding game between the two teams becomes the home team.

Step 4: If both teams were the home team and visiting team the same number of times and the teams did not previously meet during the tournament, the team that was the visitor in its most recent, preceding game becomes the home team.

Step 5: If both teams were the home team and visiting team the same number of times, the teams did not previously meet during the tournament, and both teams were the visitor (or home team) in their most recent, preceding game, then the home team is decided by a coin flip.

Great rules for double elimination tournaments with tie-breakers, but not the type of tournament the SEC runs.
 
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WillisWG said:
My understanding is the SEC uses the CWS format, however looking through the SEC/CWS rules I could not find it. Apparently, this format was put in place back when the CWS was a double elimination tournament to help manage pitching and tie breaker advantages.

A true double elimination is a test of endurance for pitching. If you are the visiting team in a tournament you use a pitcher all but one inning, home team uses a pitcher in every inning. I agreed it checks the pitching advantage as a team get deeper into a tournament.

Tie-breakers were based on run scored, runs allowed and runs differential, as home team your scoring opportunities are reduced. Any I agree this checks any tie-breaker advantage.


Step 1: The team has been the home team fewer times during the tournament becomes the home team.

Step 2: If both teams were the home team the same number of times, count the number of times each team was the visiting team during the tournament. The team that was the visiting team more often during the tournament becomes the home team.

Step 3: If both teams were the home team and visiting team the same number of times and the teams met previously during the tournament, the visitor in the immediately preceding game between the two teams becomes the home team.

Step 4: If both teams were the home team and visiting team the same number of times and the teams did not previously meet during the tournament, the team that was the visitor in its most recent, preceding game becomes the home team.

Step 5: If both teams were the home team and visiting team the same number of times, the teams did not previously meet during the tournament, and both teams were the visitor (or home team) in their most recent, preceding game, then the home team is decided by a coin flip.

Great rules for double elimination tournaments with tie-breakers, but not the type of tournament the SEC runs.
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Yep. That sounds more like select ball rules.
 
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chuckiepoo said:
Yep. That sounds more like select ball rules.
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Yep. For the most part I am ok with our SEC tournament format but would really like to see our champ determined by a best of 3 but worry about impact on pitching before the NCAAT. Could reduce the amount of teams playing but I see benefit for some teams to improve their seed and play themselves into the NCAAT.

It will be interesting to see if the format changes when we're a 16-team league.
 
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Here is another question on the subject. Why in the world is the #1 seeded team playing late games? quarters and semis should have the #1 team play first giving you more rest for the next game. Should be more incentive for being there than what they are getting.
 
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My VOLS are huge said:
Here is another question on the subject. Why in the world is the #1 seeded team playing late games? quarters and semis should have the #1 team play first giving you more rest for the next game. Should be more incentive for being there than what they are getting.
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Night games are cooler temperatures, usually have bigger crowds, etc.
 
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My VOLS are huge said:
Here is another question on the subject. Why in the world is the #1 seeded team playing late games? quarters and semis should have the #1 team play first giving you more rest for the next game. Should be more incentive for being there than what they are getting.
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And most years, the Tennessee-LSU game would've played on Thursday with the winner not having a game Friday, but the rain forced them to push everything back a game slot or 2.
 
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Orange-heart said:
Was the single elimination format for the SEC baseball tournament semifinals/finals because of the rain delay or is that the normal format? In a way, it wasn’t fair to Texas A&M and Tennessee to possibly get eliminated with only 1 loss. I asked people working in Hoover and received both opposite answers.

Anyway it was awesome and the Hoover experience was great. The people working there were so nice. Parking was easy.

Now we need the Trifecta- football to add to our basketball and baseball championships.
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It's the normal format.
 
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