So can we revisit the Butch Davis hissy fit yet? (merged)

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Vercingetorix

Vercingetorix

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All offseason, a bunch of posters on this site complained about the Kiffin hire because it was "too risky," that Hamilton should have done more to bring a "proven winner" to Knoxville. When pressed for exactly which proven winner we should have hired, the answer was almost always "Butch Davis." We should have done whatever it took to get Butch Davis. When told that the disagreement was not over money, the answer was always, "Well, we should have just given him more money then. Butch Davis Butch Davis Butch Davis Butch Davis Butch Davis Butch Davis."

Well, gentlemen, this "proven winner" is now in Year 3 of his tenure, and he's 0-3 in a terrible conference. He just got beat at home by an awful FSU team. Half his wins this season have been against I-AA teams.

Why exactly am I supposed to feel disappointed that we didn't get this guy? The ACC is awful. If you can't get it done in Year 3 in the ACC, you can't get it done anymore.

Kudos to Mike Hamilton for not moving heaven and earth to get this guy. He's a has-been.


(Mods, feel free to move this to the NCAA forum if you feel it's more appropriate. I put it on the main board first because I'm hopeful of soliciting comment from some of our more ardent Davis enthusiasts.)
 
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Man, if you could make money being a VN thread psychic, I could retire from my job.
 
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I have never been impressed with his coaching. His recruiting is another story. I was so aggravated last year at this time when everyone was begging for Butch Davis and John Gruden. Brian Kelly was the guy I wanted but I now believe Kiffin was the best all around choice even though Kelly is an amazing coach.
 
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vader said:
Man, if you could make money being a VN thread psychic, I could retire from my job.
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No doubt. I'm sure I wasn't the only one thinking about all those off-season arguments we had while watching the second half of that game tonight.
 
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Oregon Vol said:
I have never been impressed with his coaching. His recruiting is another story. I was so aggravated last year at this time when everyone was begging for Butch Davis and John Gruden. Brian Kelly was the guy I wanted but I now believe Kiffin was the best all around choice even though Kelly is an amazing coach.
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I would definitely take Gruden over Kelly.
 
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vols5790 said:
He was my number one guy in the search,lol.
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I wanted Davis to begin with too. But when we didn't get him, a bunch of guys here couldn't move on from it, and Hamilton was suddenly guilty of malpractice because he wasn't willing to "do whatever it took" to get Davis like Alabama did to get Saban. All spring, we had guys complaining about how "we could have had Butch Davis, and instead we hired this totally unknown commodity." And lookie here, six months later and the Davis mystique looks like a fraud. There is really no excuse for not being able to win in the ACC this year with three years of his own players.

What good is the internet if you can't call out the people who were wrong and demand that they explain themselves? Why does it come into my home if not to provide me a vehicle for ridiculing the mistaken?
 
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I don't think the ACC is that bad of a conference. They always have tons of talent (at least pro talent). I think it's the coaching. The ACC is 6-7 against non-conference BCS opponents which puts them on par with the Big Ten, and the Big 12 is 3-7. The SEC is 6-3 if you are wondering.
 
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nbakerld said:
I don't think the ACC is that bad of a conference. They always have tons of talent (at least pro talent). I think it's the coaching. The ACC is 6-7 against non-conference BCS opponents which puts them on par with the Big Ten, and the Big 12 is 3-7. The SEC is 6-3 if you are wondering.
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Two ACC teams have lost to I-AA teams this year, and Maryland escaped by the skin of their teeth in overtime from being a third. UNC lost to a team that lost to William and Mary.

Davis has talent, if the recruiting rankings are to be believed. But at some point you have to start winning with it. Losing to Virgina? To the reanimated corpse of Bobby Bowden? Paul Johnson's had a year less to get things rolling and he has nowhere near the so-called talent Davis has brought in, and yet Georgia Tech absolutely throttled UNC a few weeks ago. Surely Paul Johnson can't be a better coach than the Proven Winner, can he?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Two ACC teams have lost to I-AA teams this year, and Maryland escaped by the skin of their teeth in overtime from being a third. UNC lost to a team that lost to William and Mary.
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They've got non-conference wins over BYU, Nebraska and Oklahoma. NC State barely lost to S Carolina. VA Tech played with Bama for 4 quarters. etc., etc.

You can always pick and choose games that are convenient to your own point of view. I'm not saying the ACC is on par with the SEC, but I definitely wouldn't call the ACC awful. I'd say average.
 
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If Maryland hadn't pulled it out over James Madison in OT, then 25 percent of their conference would have lost to I-AA teams this season. That's not average.

The SEC has two good teams and then it drops down to a bunch of average teams. The ACC has about two or three good teams and then it drops down to crap.
 
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This is the conference Butch Davis is 0-3 in right now:

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