So can we revisit the Butch Davis hissy fit yet? (merged)

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nbakerld said:
They've got non-conference wins over BYU, Nebraska and Oklahoma. NC State barely lost to S Carolina. VA Tech played with Bama for 4 quarters. etc., etc.

You can always pick and choose games that are convenient to your own point of view. I'm not saying the ACC is on par with the SEC, but I definitely wouldn't call the ACC awful. I'd say average.
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Those three wins are nullified (and then some) by the ACC's struggles against I-AA teams. In a just world, the ACC would not be considered a BCS conference.
 
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It is honestly very sad to see 2 top ranked football teams have some of the worst dedication of fans i have ever seen. I know that the game was in Florida which sort of makes it along haul for the ACC, but that is still pathetic. Im proud to call myself a volunteer fan and being around other volunteer fans who are dedicated to thier university.
 
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I'm afraid Butch may suffer the same fate as Mr Spurrier has at Carolina, good coach...wrong place. I'm liking the fact we went with the younger coach. Butch doesn't need to prove himself, Lane does, i like that.
 
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As someone who lives and works in the backyard of NC State, UNC, and Duke I can honestly say that Butch wasn't then isn't now or will never be anyones answer IMHO. I have coached a couple of kids in Pop Warner that are now over at UNC playing and to paraphrase them, our coach prep, teaching and schedules for practices were better when they were 14 years old than what they get in Chapel Hill. Now in fairness they are freshmen and may still be getting adjusted to college but understanding that the coaches aren't clear about what they want in practices or contradicting each other is no way to run a program.
I for one was thrilled Mike didn't pursue BD.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If Maryland hadn't pulled it out over James Madison in OT, then 25 percent of their conference would have lost to I-AA teams this season. That's not average.

The SEC has two good teams and then it drops down to a bunch of average teams. The ACC has about two or three good teams and then it drops down to crap.
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Well said. The drop off after Miami and Va. Tech is unbelievable . As far as Butch is concerned, the only reason I wanted him to come to UTK was to piss the tarhole fans off. Other than that I was a CBK lean.
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Anyway TJ Leifheit realizes the error of heading to UNC after lastnight's debacle against a pathetic FSU team?
 
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Also, about the ACC talent. MTSU has beaten Maryland in consecutive years and couldn't even beat Mississippi State in Murfreesboro this year.
 
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UTC Vol Fan said:
Also, about the ACC talent. MTSU has beaten Maryland in consecutive years and couldn't even beat Mississippi State in Murfreesboro this year.
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Yet the ACC had 32 players drafted last year, and 4 were in the first 10 picks. The SEC had 37 players drafted. Like I said, the ACC puts out talent. I blame the coaching. Alabama lost to ULM a few back. We lost to Wyoming. Miss St lost to LA Tech. Vandy lost to Army. Crap happens. You can't point to a few games and think it determines conference strength.
 
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nbakerld said:
Yet the ACC had 32 players drafted last year, and 4 were in the first 10 picks. The SEC had 37 players drafted. Like I said, the ACC puts out talent. I blame the coaching. Alabama lost to ULM a few back. We lost to Wyoming. Miss St lost to LA Tech. Vandy lost to Army. Crap happens. You can't point to a few games and think it determines conference strength.
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Coaching IS conference strength. Ask Phil Fulmer.
 
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Davis caught lightening in a bottle in Miami. Looking at his resume, those years are looking to be the exception to the rule of him being a bad coach.

And as I said at the time, had UT hired Davis, myself and thousands of other fans would have immediately discountinued their season ticket purchases.
 
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nbakerld said:
Yet the ACC had 32 players drafted last year, and 4 were in the first 10 picks. The SEC had 37 players drafted. Like I said, the ACC puts out talent. I blame the coaching. Alabama lost to ULM a few back. We lost to Wyoming. Miss St lost to LA Tech. Vandy lost to Army. Crap happens. You can't point to a few games and think it determines conference strength.
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Georgia had the number 1 and 12 taken players, so by your logic they were the best team, no?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Coaching IS conference strength. Ask Phil Fulmer.
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I agree that is a key component (along with talent), and I would say the ACC has average coaching. I would rank the coaches by conference like this:

1. SEC
2. PAC 10
3. ACC/Big 10/Big 12
6. Big East
 
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timmy said:
Georgia had the number 1 and 12 taken players, so by your logic they were the best team, no?
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What did I ever say that would lead you to jump to that conclusion? All I've said is the ACC has enough talent to be an average conference (as opposed to awful).
 
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nbakerld said:
What did I ever say that would lead you to jump to that conclusion? All I've said is the ACC has enough talent to be an average conference (as opposed to awful).
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any average D-I team should demolish a 1aa team no matter who is coaching. The fact they lost 2 (almost 3) to CAA teams tells me the overall talent is extremely weak
 
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nbakerld said:
I agree that is a key component (along with talent), and I would say the ACC has average coaching. I would rank the coaches by conference like this:

1. SEC
2. PAC 10
3. ACC/Big 10/Big 12
6. Big East
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I don't think I'd put the ACC with the Big 12. My list would be:

1. SEC
2. PAC 10/Big 12
4. Big East
5. ACC/Big 10
 
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Oldblood said:
I don't think I'd put the ACC with the Big 12. My list would be:

1. SEC
2. PAC 10/Big 12
4. Big East
5. ACC/Big 10
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Wow, really? The Big East? I think the Big 12 has some good coaches, along with some very bad coaches. There's a huge imbalance between offense and defense in the conference. I blame coaching for that (not to mention the Big 12 has the worst record against BCS opponents (3-7), and they have also lost to 6 non-BCS opponents).
 
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utvolpj said:
any average D-I team should demolish a 1aa team no matter who is coaching. The fact they lost 2 (almost 3) to CAA teams tells me the overall talent is extremely weak
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And Michigan lost to App St and turned it around and beat a Florida team that beat us by 39.
 
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nbakerld said:
And Michigan lost to App St and turned it around and beat a Florida team that beat us by 39.
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you have to go that far back to defend your point (not to mention ASU was a 3 time defending champ of 1aa)? Talking about this year and head to head the CAA is better against the ACC
 
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I'll admit I wanted Davis the most. I was very disappointed UT didn't make a stronger push to get him. I will also admit I am pleased with our current staff but I am still in wait and see mode. Finally, I will add that winning at UT and Miami is a totally different animal from winning at UNC.
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ridethelightening said:
I'll admit I wanted Davis the most. I was very disappointed UT didn't make a stronger push to get him. I will also admit I am pleased with our current staff but I am still in wait and see mode. Finally, I will add that winning at UT and Miami is a totally different animal from winning at UNC.
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The availability of Kiffin is likely why we didn't push any harder. Kiffin was involved in the process very early and was fine with our AD going after a couple of wish list guys.
 
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I really didn't want any one particular coach, I was more of a anyone but the guy we got person.

BD knew if he came to Knoxville he'd be under a microscope. In NC he can lose and nobody blinks. Kinda like KY.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
The availability of Kiffin is likely why we didn't push any harder. Kiffin was involved in the process very early and was fine with our AD going after a couple of wish list guys.
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I agree. I think Kiffin was a man of interest long before Fulmer was on the hot seat.

It was interesting to read that Hamilton's 2nd choice was the guy at Air Force in Clay's book. Anybody got substantial proof on that. Don't trust Clay but he was around and had the opportunities to speak with people that might have known.
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