So the Tuohy's were phonies (Michael Oher)

[Delmar]

because no one is going to see that movie without it being Michael Oher. Plenty of stories of rich white families adopting needy kids, those don't get made into movies typically. The Tuohy's aren't the human interest part of it, or anything that anyone would care about.

Consider the story from either side
would the movie sell if it was just the Tuohy's adopting some unnamed male black character with a different background than Oher? no.
Would the movie sell if it was just Oher getting "adopted" from homelessness by an unnamed white family, with a different background than the Tuohy's, and making it to the NFL? Yeah. his journey is special no matter who adopted him, or where he ended up going to college.

I would actually love to hear how the Tuohy's side is a compelling story at all? Rich white family can financially afford to adopt another kid, has a house big enough to give him his own room (and bed), has the connections to get him into the school they want.

If not for Michael Oher, all they’d have had to film is a rich dude that owned a bunch of Taco Bell’s with an attention seeking Germantown housewife at his side. Now I’m all about that Mexican Pizza but the Tuohy’s ain’t the stuff of Oscar winning movies. And I will guarantee you they wouldn’t have taken any interest in Oher if he had been a 130 pound clarinet player.

 

[Orange.]

According to former o-lineman and VFL Ramon Foster, Oher is doing well financially and health wise and living in Nashville currently. I think the attorney has swindled Michael into this and unfortunately he'll get most of any money that comes from it.

Doing "well financially and health wise" has no bearing on the facts of the case. And it is highly doubtful that an attorney would take "most" of a settlement or remedy.

It just sounds like you're trying to prejudice others into abiding by your own prejudices.

 

[bamawriter]

He is not mentally deficient, not addicted to drugs, not having a major health crisis. There is absolutely no reason an adult shouldn’t have control of his own affairs.

I don’t know how you can even think that keeping him under someone else’s control when there is no legal reason is okay.

Is there some evidence that the Tuohys misappropriated any of his NFL money?

 

[Orange.]

I would like to know if the Tuohys negotiated and gained NCAA approval in advance for an unjust scheme granting that a conservatorship absolved those boosters and Ole Miss retroactively from all known infractions, an investigation, and any other infraction that might come to light independent of an investigation. And the Tuohys then had the conservatorship signed or at least filed after that backroom guarantee was granted.

It's peculiar that they did not wish to adopt him, despite all their talk before and especially after. One is led to wonder whether a conservatorship might mean that the Tuohys could answer any questions on Oher's behalf. It in fact rendered him something like a juvenile or incompetent as opposed to a free man. Now adoption wouldn't suffice for that: 18 year old children are adults at law. But that would mean that adoption was never the Tuohys real goal, when push came to shove. The recruitment was.

We know that Oher was persuaded falsely that conservatorship was a mere form of adoption, and that (according to certain news accounts) Oher said at the time that he couldn't choose a school that his "sister" (his word) would root against. It's not at all clear that Oher would have held that view if he knew the truth about the conservatorship. It looks like the Tuohys managed to have it both ways. Conservatorship for legal and NCAA purposes but [fake] adoption in Oher's perception.

Anyone have any other theories on why the Tuohys ditched at the decisive moment the idea of adoption they used to make themselves heroes, celebrities, and non-profit kingpins? And why the attorney they paid and assigned to Oher didn't tell Oher the truth?

 

[1 in 102 455]

The reason it may be important for the Tuohys but not Oher is because there are laws regarding new children being included in wills leaving things to “my children” created prior to them being your child, the idea being you wouldn’t have meant for them to be left out of the class. So, for that reason, it may be relevant to one and not the other, but only for that sole purpose.

Next of kin in the context you are referring would only matter if they died intestate (I.e., no will). But if we are talking about estate planning, I’m not aware of any “plans” that include not doing a will. Not exactly much of a plan

 

[woodpusher]

Yeah, his lawyer representing him for the film rights was the same lawyer that advised him on the conservatorship, a friend of the Tuohys

Meanwhile the Tuohy’s had a completely different lawyer advising them.

There’s a red flag right there

Should it have been the same lawyer? If so, would someone have seen that as a red flag?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

The reason it may be important for the Tuohys but not Oher is because there are laws regarding new children being included in wills leaving things to “my children” created prior to them being your child, the idea being you wouldn’t have meant for them to be left out of the class. So, for that reason, it may be relevant to one and not the other, but only for that sole purpose.

Next of kin in the context you are referring would only matter if they died intestate (I.e., no will). But if we are talking about estate planning, I’m not aware of any “plans” that include not doing a will. Not exactly much of a plan

My issue in this is his claim he didn't know he wasn't adopted until February 2023.

If he's ever tried to get a passport, he would've needed his adoption papers. Had he submitted the conservatorship, it would be rejected because that's not an adoption document...... and he would've known and needed his birth parent's information to get a passport.

I suppose there are successful NFL players who've never gone to Cabo or the Bahamas or somewhere out of the country where their salary would easily let them, but if I worked that hard and got paid that well, I'd vacation at somewhere better than Panama City Beach.

I'm not calling BS on whether he got scammed financially, maybe he did and maybe he didn't, but I'm calling BS that he got to age 37 and didn't know he wasn't adopted. It almost certainly came up before this past February.

 

[BowlBrother85]

My issue in this is his claim he didn't know he wasn't adopted until February 2023.

If he's ever tried to get a passport, he would've needed his adoption papers. Had he submitted the conservatorship, it would be rejected because that's not an adoption document...... and he would've known and needed his birth parent's information to get a passport.

I suppose there are successful NFL players who've never gone to Cabo or the Bahamas or somewhere out of the country where their salary would easily let them, but if I worked that hard and got paid that well, I'd vacation at somewhere better than Panama City Beach.

I'm not calling BS on whether he got scammed financially, maybe he did and maybe he didn't, but I'm calling BS that he got to age 37 and didn't know he wasn't adopted. It almost certainly came up before this past February.

Why is Panama City the only option? LOL.

We have vacation destinations such Las Vegas, South Beach, Key West, and in southern California to choose from. LOL.

I agree with the contention that a 37 year old should have known that he was living under a conservatorship, but not because of this ... I can believe he has never had a passport.

 

[Orange.]

My issue in this is his claim he didn't know he wasn't adopted until February 2023.

If he's ever tried to get a passport, he would've needed his adoption papers. Had he submitted the conservatorship, it would be rejected because that's not an adoption document...... and he would've known and needed his birth parent's information to get a passport.

I suppose there are successful NFL players who've never gone to Cabo or the Bahamas or somewhere out of the country where their salary would easily let them, but if I worked that hard and got paid that well, I'd vacation at somewhere better than Panama City Beach.

I'm not calling BS on whether he got scammed financially, maybe he did and maybe he didn't, but I'm calling BS that he got to age 37 and didn't know he wasn't adopted. It almost certainly came up before this past February.

But is that really pertinent to the issue that as conservators, which relationship the Tuohys established and deceived Oher when they were under a very serious legal obligation to represent Oher's interests and also to regularly report on everything they had done each year to advance his interests? Now his dear personal interest was in being adopted. And his financial interest was being a party to all the deals made with respect to his story and not by striped of control of his own NIL.

They were so far from representing his interests for him and reporting to him or the court, that they actually appear to have swindled him by means of a lie that people at 18 years old cannot be adopted and further that a conservatorship was the same as adoption but for grown ups. And the Touhys never represented Oher's interests in any of their many financial deals, as someone with his interest at heart or even with mere legal obligation would have done.

And this seems especially heinous with respect to someone like Oher who had been through so much betrayal. The Tuohys even mention this in their movie. This fake "adoption" amounted to running out on him when he trusted them and needed them.

You don't explain why the Tuohys did what they did. That's the perplexing thing.

If Oher got a passport at some time, about which we have no evidence at present, that doesn't put the Tuohys in the right about what they did to a (by their celebrity-making account) serially abused young man and an orphan, or explain their motivations. Play it out: "Well, violating our legal obligation doesn't matter, honey, he may get a passport one day. Let's just walk out on him."

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Why is Panama City the only option? LOL.

We have vacation destinations such Las Vegas, South Beach, Key West, and in southern California to choose from. LOL.

I agree with the contention that a 37 year old should have known that he was living under a conservatorship, but not because of this ... I can believe he has never had a passport.

If I made north of $30 million by the time I'm 30, I'm traveling any damn where I want.

South Beach is fine, the Keys are great, Vegas is a waste of good desert (which is hard to do, but they did it) but Cabo or Turks and Caicos....... c'mon.

If I'm young and sitting on NFL money, I'm going worldwide.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

But is that really pertinent to the issue that as conservators, which relationship the Tuohys established and deceived Oher when they were under a very serious legal obligation to represent Oher's interests and also to regularly report on everything they had done each year to advance his interests? Now his dear personal interest was in being adopted. And his financial interest was being a party to all the deals made with respect to his story and not by striped of control of his own NIL.

They were so far from representing his interests for him and reporting to him or the court, that they actually swindled him about by means of the lie that people at 18 years old cannot be adopted and further that a conservatorship was the same as adoption but for grown ups. And the Touhys never represented Oher's interests in any of their many financial deals, as someone with his interest at heart or a mere legal obligation would have done. Again, to the contrary.

And this seems especially heinous with respect to someone like Oher who had been through so much betrayal. They even mention this in their movie. This fake "adoption" amounted to running out on him when he trusted them and needed them.

You don't explain why the Tuohys did what they did. That's the perplexing thing.

If Oher got a passport at some time, about which we have no evidence at present, that doesn't put the Tuohys in the right about what they did to a (by their celebrity-making account) serially abused young man, or explain their motivations. Play it out: "Well, violating our legal obligation doesn't matter, honey, he may get a passport one day. Let's just walk out on him."

I clearly said I'm not taking sides on that.

I'm just suspicious of his comment that he didn't know until this past February. That's a reasonable suspicion.

His claim of being cheated is in the courts where it should be. I'm fine with the courts sorting it out.

I'm ONLY suspicious of his claim about when he found out. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[BowlBrother85]

If I made north of $30 million by the time I'm 30, I'm traveling any damn where I want.

South Beach is fine, the Keys are great, Vegas is a waste of good desert (which is hard to do, but they did it) but Cabo or Turks and Caicos....... c'mon.

If I'm young and sitting on NFL money, I'm going worldwide.

Just understand that not everyone sees things this way... especially about Vegas. I can't get enough of the place.

 

[Orange.]

Does an adult need to present adoption papers in order to obtain a passport as a self-supporting adult? Idk. All his or her life? I was not asked for them when I applied for a passport. I don't know anyone who was asked. Has anyone here been asked as an adult for proof of adoption when applying for a passport? Please let us know.

 

[Vol since 77]

Doing "well financially and health wise" has no bearing on the facts of the case. And it is highly doubtful that an attorney would take "most" of a settlement or remedy.

It just sounds like you're trying to prejudice others into abiding by your own prejudices.

I simply posted what I heard from Ramon and added my opinion. No problem with anyone who disagrees, but you can shove your projection jackass.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Just understand that not everyone sees things this way... especially about Vegas. I can't get enough of the place.

News flash: you can gamble in Cabo and Turks and Caicos and many, many other places where the price of admission makes drunk, redneck tourists much less prevalent than Vegas. MUCH MUCH MUCH less prevalent.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Does an adult need to present adoption papers in order to obtain a passport as a self-supporting adult? Idk. All his or her life?

Yes. I know for a fact both a child and adult trying to get a passport need adoption papers, if adopted.

 

[BowlBrother85]

News flash: you can gamble in Cabo and Turks and Caicos and many, many other places where the price of admission makes drunk, redneck tourists much less prevalent than Vegas. MUCH MUCH MUCH less prevalent.

I've vacationed in Las Vegas 35 separate times since 2007. I've stayed at The Palazzo, The Encore, Caesar's Palace, The Four Seasons at Mandalay Bay, The Hotel at Mandalay Bay (now known as Delano), Mandalay Bay, The Paris, The New York New York, The Mirage (RIP), Aria, The LINQ, Bally's, The Orleans, The Luxor and Excalibur. I've always had a great time. To each his own.

 

[stolitonic]

News flash: you can gamble in Cabo and Turks and Caicos and many, many other places where the price of admission makes drunk, redneck tourists much less prevalent than Vegas. MUCH MUCH MUCH less prevalent.

Brother, turn of the the century I was wearing that SoCal to Cabo route out.

Back during the 2008 financial crisis, I got bloody tired of going to the Atlantis for free (well I had to pay like a $75 airport fee but they paid the airfare, food, and lodging).

Drunk, redneck tourists are everywhere when there are casinos involved lol. They just may not be your prototypical definition of "redneck" in primary language ha ha.

While it has gotten much better of late, Macau used to be a nightmare from the ill mannered Chinese tourists

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I've vacationed in Las Vegas 35 separate times since 2007. I've stayed at The Palazzo, The Encore, Caesar's Palace, The Four Seasons at Mandalay Bay, The Hotel at Mandalay Bay (now known as Delano), Mandalay Bay, The Paris, The New York New York, The Mirage (RIP), Aria, The LINQ, Bally's, The Orleans, The Luxor and Excalibur. I've always had a great time. To each his own.

Enjoy. And I get the "cheap escape" Vegas is from the normal reality in America so folks frequent the place but that's part of the problem. Very similar to bachelorette parties in Nashville........ just lots of amateurs.

However, if you gamble and gamble well, there's some maniacs out there who are more than happy to share.

 

[Orange.]

The first news story that came up for me just now was titled: "‘The Blind Side’ Lawsuit Takes a Surprising Turn as Tuohy Family Seeks to End Michael Oher’s Conservatorship"

Wow, the reader is supposed to gather, that those Tuohy's are fighting back! Like omg! brave!

Then here's an excerpt:

The Tuohy family’s decision to request the termination of Oher’s conservatorship has further intensified the already explosive legal battle. Their surprising move has left supporters and critics alike wondering what led to this decision, especially after they [contested or disagreed with*] Oher’s allegations.

While details about the exact reasoning behind the Tuohy family’s decision remain scarce, it is clear that this legal showdown will have far-reaching implications.

Now, what did the journalists omit with the result that readers are misled? This: Oher's petition officially requested that the Tuohys end the conservatorship. It's a demand of the petition!

That detail is not "scarce." Clown show. The request was made in a legal document filed by Oher.

Clown show.

* Note: The word used in the story is "refuted." This word is used in its new kangeroo journalistic application to mean "contested or disagreed with." "Refuted" does not have its original and standard meaning of "demonstrated to be false," "proven false." But the reader is expected to hear the original and true meaning. It's a dishonest sleight of hand.

 

[Orange.]

Yes. I know for a fact both a child and adult trying to get a passport need adoption papers, if adopted.

However this may be, your argument is still are exposed to this difficulty:

Oher was not adopted.

 

[Orange.]

I simply posted what I heard from Ramon and added my opinion. No problem with anyone who disagrees, but you can shove your projection jackass.

So you have no answer to my remark that what you heard and repeated was impertinent to the case. And your opinion -- "I think the attorney has swindled Michael" and that the attorney would get most of the money if the petition succeeds is completely unsubstantiated. Any reasonable person would recognize that as a pre-judgement on your part with respect to all attorneys. Never mind that you exclude the Tuohy's attorneys from your "think"ing.

Then you conclude with name calling. Whatever floats your boat.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

However this may be, your argument is still are exposed to this difficulty:

Oher was not adopted.

Yes, but if he thought he was adopted, as he said, he would've submitted the documents he had, the conservatorship, and those would have been rejected because he's not adopted.

That was my point. He would've submitted the wrong documents and been denied a passport and would've learned, then, he wasn't adopted.

 

[Orange.]

Yes, but if he thought he was adopted, as he said, he would've submitted the documents he had, the conservatorship, and those would have been rejected because he's not adopted.

That was my point. He would've submitted the wrong documents and been denied a passport and would've learned, then, he wasn't adopted.

Fair enough, perhaps, as pertains to that hypothetical. But it is still beside the point.

The conservatorship required the Tuohys by law to look after the interests of Oher and to report on their actions regularly. They did not. That is the substance of the petition.

Oher has asked them in the petition to terminate the conservatorship.

In the meantime, Tuohy's appear to have ignored all their legal responsibilities to very end, while continuing to leverage their story of the adoption through their called non-profits, having already excluded him from other monies.

This Tuohy PR onslaught is a lot of noise but never touches the root of things.

At least, from their perspective, they are keeping people from understanding the petition and from noticing the recruitment scandal angle.

 

[Orange.]

I don't think any reasonable person really believes that Oher will get a fair hearing from a Memphis judge in Memphis courts against the most well-connected of multi-centi-millionaires and hometown "heroes." If that makes people who appear to be resentful and jealous of Oher and who want to stan for the megabucks Ole Miss booster feel better.