So, this is floating around the Facebook, this morning...

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therealUT said:
Have you read the Quran in its entirety? Or, are you basing your observation off the observations of others (who may or may not have read the Quran in its entirety)?
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You ask if he has read the quran as if the the quran would teach you all you need to know about islam. The quran is only the start. To trully understand islam you must start with the quran then go on to the sunna. The sunna is made of two text. The sira and the hadith. The quran repeatedlysays that all should imitate mohammed in evry way.how can you compare the two 'religions' and not compare jesus and mohammed. Without reading the sunna you can not possibly understand islam nor mohammed.
 
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onlyut4me said:
You ask if he has read the quran as if the the quran would teach you all you need to know about islam. The quran is only the start. To trully understand islam you must start with the quran then go on to the sunna. The sunna is made of two text. The sira and the hadith. The quran repeatedlysays that all should imitate mohammed in evry way.how can you compare the two 'religions' and not compare jesus and mohammed. Without reading the sunna you can not possibly understand islam nor mohammed.
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1. The Qu'ran states that followers should obey Allah and his Messengers (the Messengers include Jesus, Moses, Noah, Mohammed, etc.) Find a verse in which Muslims are instructed to imitate Mohammed. Further, the use of "We" in the Qu'ran is in reference to God and God's angels. Hence verses of the type, "We destroyed Sodom" or "We caused Lot's wife to be turned into a pillar of salt".

2. Hadiths are disputed among Muslims, so disputed, in fact, that different sects have different Hadiths. These are certainly fundamental to understanding the differences between Sunni and Shia.

3. Many would argue that one cannot understand Christianity without understanding Judaism and the Old Testament; yet, the Old Testament is an incredibly vengeful and violent compilation. Moreover, Jesus celebrates the Passover (i.e., God's slaughter of infants), and Jesus instructs his followers to, "Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect". Of course, the "heavenly Father" has quite a brutal biography, does he not?

You are correct, though, Jesus turned the other cheek and gave himself up to be Crucified. Did Christians, for the most part, follow the example of accepting and dying horrible deaths instead of killing others? No; which is why Ghandi famously remarks, "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." I would counter that, since Christ is supposed to be God, that Christ himself is responsible for commanding the Jews to slaughter women and children.
 
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therealUT said:
The same place that I draw it from right now: my abilities. I certainly would not have had any hope in a God that I had spent my lifetime faithfully serving who repaid that faith by taking away loved ones simply to test that faith in order to win a bet.

Or, do you think that atheists simply off themselves when times get tough?
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this will be your downfall....if you seriously think you have achieved everything on your own without God's help....you can disagree with me all you want bc that is your right in this country but I will still laugh about this statement....as far as Job....he did not question God's plan but kept his faith in him and was rewarded 10fold...in today's time I do not believe that God would have faith in anyone the way he did with Job.....which is sad
 
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Going back to the original question:

I'm not seeing that picture in the same light you are. I don't really think it's intention was to say pick up your weapon and use it for God's bidding. I really think it was more a dig against Obama's "clinging to their religion and their guns" quote. Most of the people who like that picture equate Obama/Democrats with any government entity so that's where the school reference comes from. And honestly what public school really teaches the Bible or encourages gun ownership?

Beauty very well could be in the eye of the beholder here, but I'm just not seeing a call to violence in the name of God. Now for the Muslim symbol (if it is Muslim), if it was just a generic Muslim symbol then I'm not bothered. I kind of like Middle Eastern scimitars. However if it was a symbol for a known terrorist group like Al Qaeda or Muslim Brotherhood then ya I'd have issue but it's not for the religion but for the group of nasties.
 
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BigOrangeCrush32 said:
this will be your downfall....if you seriously think you have achieved everything on your own without God's help....you can disagree with me all you want bc that is your right in this country but I will still laugh about this statement....as far as Job....he did not question God's plan but kept his faith in him and was rewarded 10fold...in today's time I do not believe that God would have faith in anyone the way he did with Job.....which is sad
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okay.....

You show me evidence that none of my accomplishments are my own doing, and instead should be attributed to this deity of yours, then I will accept your prayers and welcome them.
 
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The God I believe in has a sense of humor, does not have an ego, and will judge me only by how I treat my fellow man.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The God I believe in has a sense of humor, does not have an ego, and will judge me only by how I treat my fellow man.
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Wish all gods were as cool as yours. I believe if there is a god he would be similar.

Or wouldn't even acknowledge us as any more or less special than the rest of the universe.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
okay.....

You show me evidence that none of my accomplishments are my own doing, and instead should be attributed to this deity of yours, then I will accept your prayers and welcome them.
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I cannot...I am not God....I have Faith....I have accomplished many things myself but I know that without him I would have accomplished nothing....he gives me the strength and knowledge to do these and you to do yours....it is up to each of us to use what he has given us....in a sense YES you did accomplish on your own but he gave you the abilities and fortitude to do this...this is what you need to understand....we each have a path to choose and once we choose that path then everything is set in motion...
 
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sure I want you to understand that because that would mean that you have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord Savior....but it is up to you to accept and not mine to force....I did not mean for it to seem like I am trying to force anything upon you...just trying to have a discussion to give you an option and chance to understand....it is up to you to freely accept not forced....I will not talk about this to you anymore unless you ask and would like to discuss....and by no means do I have all the answers...but I do know where to find it...:)
 
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Thrasher865 said:
Wish all gods were as cool as yours. I believe if there is a god he would be similar.

Or wouldn't even acknowledge us as any more or less special than the rest of the universe.
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We're on the same page, probably. I call myself an agnostic deist. I like the idea of God, but I don't bother myself with the question of his/her existence too much because I won't know in this life. So if a perfect being exists, it's my opinion that he/she wouldn't have an ego, etc.
 
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n_huffhines said:
We're on the same page, probably. I call myself an agnostic deist. I like the idea of God, but I don't bother myself with the question of his/her existence too much because I won't know in this life. So if a perfect being exists, it's my opinion that he/she wouldn't have an ego, etc.
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Close to the same page. I gravitate towards the idea of no god, but I realize that it's as silly to assume there isn't as to assume there is. I just know that if there is a god, he is not explained in any of man's religious texts.
 
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therealUT said:
Jesus celebrates the Passover (i.e., God's slaughter of infants)

Dude what Bible are you reading. The Passover was an Old Testament shadow of what Christ would do on the cross. It was a lamb slain and eaten by the Israelites. Your term, "slaughter of infants" is either very naive or you are trying to distort the Bible. The only infant slaughtered was the baby sheep.

Of course, the "heavenly Father" has quite a brutal biography, does he not?

The "heavenly Father" is perfect and we either must be perfect or put our faith in one who was and who also became the sacrificial lamb who completely satisfied God's standards. Of course Christ did this and it is wise to put your trust in HIM. Nothing else will satisfy the Father.


You are correct, though, Jesus turned the other cheek and gave himself up to be Crucified. Did Christians, for the most part, follow the example of accepting and dying horrible deaths instead of killing others? No

Actually, they have been brutally murdered all around the world ever since Christ's time and are still doing so. In the USA they are not yet persecuted this severely.

I would counter that, since Christ is supposed to be God, that Christ himself is responsible for commanding the Jews to slaughter women and children.

Wow your lack of understanding of God is remarkable.
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