So you want to fire Fulmer?

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ssims6

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In the last week the Big Orange have all but Oku (Now No. 2 APB per Rivals behind some tard going to AU) set in stone, received a verbal commitment 2 years down the road in McClain (who looks like a freak of nature for a sophomore), John Hollins at DT (lifelong fan who can come in December and look to contribute immediately), and today Jerod Askey commits (4*LB .1 away from 5*). I'm trying to figure out who everyone wants to come in and immediately get these types of recruits. Oh yeah I'm pretty sure they are committing to Fulmer! Not to the next head coach. Sorry guys, Fulmer is still pulling in SEC calibur kids. No one else will be able to do what he can. It will take a few years to be able to to recruit effectively in their first year. If Fulmer keeps this pace up (Brown - starts with a good win over the Dawgs this year, Moses, White, and a few more) we will end up with a solid Top 10 class.

Rocky Top will always be home to me! :rock:
 
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Last time I checked, Fulmer has always brought in great classes (minus 06/08 classes) but what has he done with them lately.

My coach would come in and probably out recruit Fulmer. Butch Davis!
 
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yeah these guys looks Great on paper..
but its really what you do with the talent..
we allready have talent like these guys on our team.. but look how there doing??
only our defense is playing well...

we need a monster QB.. like what Florida, Georgia, USC, and Ohio State have with Pryor.. we need a household name at QB..
i mean were the F'n VOlunteers.. everyone knows us.. why cant we get a top rated QB??
 
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k-sny-vol said:
yeah these guys looks Great on paper..
but its really what you do with the talent..
we allready have talent like these guys on our team.. but look how there doing??
only our defense is playing well...

we need a monster QB.. like what Florida, Georgia, USC, and Ohio State have with Pryor.. we need a household name at QB..
i mean were the F'n VOlunteers.. everyone knows us.. why cant we get a top rated QB??
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We already have one :cray:
 
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Crapton shouldnt count.. he's the biggest QB bust ever..

we need to get a high four star QB, or 5 star, that is really accurate..
he would EXCELL in Clawson's passing system..
 
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k-sny-vol said:
Crapton shouldnt count.. he's the biggest QB bust ever..

we need to get a high four star QB, or 5 star, that is really accurate..
he would EXCELL in Clawson's passing system..
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I know. It's ridiculous to think how highly ranked Crompton was.
 
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ssims6 said:
In the last week the Big Orange have all but Oku (Now No. 2 APB per Rivals behind some tard going to AU) set in stone, received a verbal commitment 2 years down the road in McClain (who looks like a freak of nature for a sophomore), John Hollins at DT (lifelong fan who can come in December and look to contribute immediately), and today Jerod Askey commits (4*LB .1 away from 5*). I'm trying to figure out who everyone wants to come in and immediately get these types of recruits. Oh yeah I'm pretty sure they are committing to Fulmer! Not to the next head coach. Sorry guys, Fulmer is still pulling in SEC calibur kids. No one else will be able to do what he can. It will take a few years to be able to to recruit effectively in their first year. If Fulmer keeps this pace up (Brown - starts with a good win over the Dawgs this year, Moses, White, and a few more) we will end up with a solid Top 10 class.

Rocky Top will always be home to me! :rock:
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They're coming to play for the University of Tennessee. Not Fulmer.
 
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It's obvious the recruiting has slipped over the past few years. Lately, it's been a yo-yo and then half the highly rated prospects Fulmer does get never seem to find the field. Sorry, but I am not going to change my mind on what's best for the future of the program because of the commits of some JC guy (Why isn't he honoring his commitment to Texas Tech? Do they even want him? Smells fishy.) and some kid who is over two years from graduating high school. UTK had no trouble recruiting nationally from the days of the General forward with the obvious hiccup under Battle. Personally, I think a younger more motivated staff could get the Vols back in some states like AL and GA.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
It's obvious the recruiting has slipped over the past few years. Lately, it's been a yo-yo and then half the highly rated prospects Fulmer does get never seem to fing the field. Sorry, but I am not going to change my mind on what's best for the future of the program because of the commits of some JC guy (Why isn't he honoring his commitment to Texas Tech? Do they even want him? Smells fishy.) and some kid who is over two years from graduating high school. UTK had no trouble recruiting nationally from the days of the General forward with the obvious hiccup under Battle. Personally, I think a younger more motivated staff could get the Vols back in some states like AL and GA.
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Tennessee is his "dream" school. Grew up a Vols fan.
 
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I'll take one bad recruiting year for a new head coach that can lead us back to prominence.
 
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Fulmers doing good recruiting as usual, but there ARE coaches out there who would come and out recruit Fulmer, by a long shot. With the fan base, tradition, and facilities, it's kind of hard not to get great recruits, something Fulmer can't even screw up
 
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if we had Saban/Meyer/Miles recruiting for UT, we would always be having a top 3 class, with our field, facilites, fan base etc..
 
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chavisut said:
Last time I checked, Fulmer has always brought in great classes (minus 06/08 classes) but what has he done with them lately.

My coach would come in and probably out recruit Fulmer. Butch Davis!
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Butch Davis my #1 option for HC as well..........if UT was going to pull the trigger, should have been after 2005 season, when Davis was more available............

Like I stated in another thread, CPF, with a massive contract in hand, a TOP shelf recruiting class on the way.........if this season ends up BAD, then someone's going to get the AX..........

question is, who will it be???????
 
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Just a thought, could it be that we started over this year and are in the first year of rebuilding? I mean, we did replace our whole offensive staff. Do you think perhaps that UTAD has somewhat viewed it that way all along?

Maybe we didn't take these changes for what they were, BIG changes. Especially knowing now what we are working with at QB, maybe our expectations were way to high. It seems to look that way. I don't think even Cut could've won the east this year considering our QB. If we would've known that Crompton would bust, the freefall would've been alot less painful.
 
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How many of these highly recruited players have we seen either A) not improve over their time at UT or B) actually get worse after their freshman year? I know this is a matter of opinion, but any way you look at it that number is much higher than the number of 2 star guys that have come in, gotten better, and really shocked people. Bottom line is: If you have top recruiting classes year in and year out and they don't produce on the field the problem has to be with the coaching. Thats a fact that you can't argue and itswhere we are as a university.
 
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zjcvols said:
I'll take one bad recruiting year for a new head coach that can lead us back to prominence.
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Fallacy of limited alternatives.

I think Fulmer has to pull of a miracle bigger than last year to keep his job but there is no guarantee that his departure won't hurt recruiting for more than one year much less that he will be replaced by someone who will produce more wins.

Most of the people having these emotional responses against Fulmer and joining those with longstanding hatred for him are vastly underestimating the risks associated with bringing a new coach into UT. Unlike schools like UGA, Bama, UF, LSU, USC, tOSU, etc, UT doesn't have a homegrown, loyal recruiting base to sustain it through a succession of coaches. If Fulmer's first replacement flops, we're quite likely looking at years of subpar talent and bottom feeding.

I AM NOT saying there aren't good reasons developing to push Fulmer out at the end of the season. I AM saying there are huge risks with that decision.
 
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k-sny-vol said:
if we had Saban/Meyer/Miles recruiting for UT, we would always be having a top 3 class, with our field, facilites, fan base etc..
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There is NO WAY UT would always have a top 3 class with any of those guys. Saban might do about as well as Fulmer.

There is no comparison between the difficulty of recruiting at UF or LSU and recruiting at UT. Neither UM or LM would tell you any different. They full well know and appreciate the advantage they have with homegrown talent. For Meyer, it was a big part of his decision to take the UF job.
 
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tkemo said:
How many of these highly recruited players have we seen either A) not improve over their time at UT or B) actually get worse after their freshman year? I know this is a matter of opinion, but any way you look at it that number is much higher than the number of 2 star guys that have come in, gotten better, and really shocked people. Bottom line is: If you have top recruiting classes year in and year out and they don't produce on the field the problem has to be with the coaching. Thats a fact that you can't argue and itswhere we are as a university.
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The better question is why were many of those highly ranked guys who didn't improve passed over by their home state school. It could well be that they have info UT isn't privy to.
 
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sjt18 said:
Fallacy of limited alternatives.

I think Fulmer has to pull of a miracle bigger than last year to keep his job but there is no guarantee that his departure won't hurt recruiting for more than one year much less that he will be replaced by someone who will produce more wins.

Most of the people having these emotional responses against Fulmer and joining those with longstanding hatred for him are vastly underestimating the risks associated with bringing a new coach into UT. Unlike schools like UGA, Bama, UF, LSU, USC, tOSU, etc, UT doesn't have a homegrown, loyal recruiting base to sustain it through a succession of coaches. If Fulmer's first replacement flops, we're quite likely looking at years of subpar talent and bottom feeding.

I AM NOT saying there aren't good reasons developing to push Fulmer out at the end of the season. I AM saying there are huge risks with that decision.
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We are bottom feeding right now, so its not really that big of a risk.
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sjt18 said:
Fallacy of limited alternatives.

I think Fulmer has to pull of a miracle bigger than last year to keep his job but there is no guarantee that his departure won't hurt recruiting for more than one year much less that he will be replaced by someone who will produce more wins.

Most of the people having these emotional responses against Fulmer and joining those with longstanding hatred for him are vastly underestimating the risks associated with bringing a new coach into UT. Unlike schools like UGA, Bama, UF, LSU, USC, tOSU, etc, UT doesn't have a homegrown, loyal recruiting base to sustain it through a succession of coaches. If Fulmer's first replacement flops, we're quite likely looking at years of subpar talent and bottom feeding.

I AM NOT saying there aren't good reasons developing to push Fulmer out at the end of the season. I AM saying there are huge risks with that decision.
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We've talked about this before but, it's not about home state talent, it's the coach. If the coaching is poor the in state recruits will go elsewhere.

LSU went from '88 to '95 with no bowl games and '88 to '01 with no SEC titles, didn't matter about instate talent because the coaching was poor.

Alabama with all their instate talent has one conference title since Stallings left.

Why? Poor coaching, the instate talent went elsewhere because of coaching. With Dubose, Fran and Shula it didn't matter they had more instate talent than UT.

Every school is at equal risk regardless of instate talent.

If you get the right guy he will get talent. If you pick the wrong guy like 'Bama and LSU for so many years it will set your program back even if you have more talent in state than Tennessee.

Lack of talent instate wasn't a problem for CPF, Majors and everyone else but Battle I guess.
 
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