Some opinions

[cwil4]

So, it is really late and I can't sleep so I decided to write about my future and some of my opinions about politics. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong about something.

I have not decided what to study in college as of now, I am considering going in to politics and trying to make this country a better place for people to live in. I have many opinions on political choices that our current president is making. I believe that the first step to improving this country is bringing the stock market back to normal. After the stock market got back to a stable pace, I would get our soldiers out of Iraq. I believe that declaring war on Iraq was a mistake. Yes, the attack on the World Trade Center could not have come without consequences, but Al Qaeda could have been terminated without declaring war on an entire country. Now we are stuck in this place with no clear escape route. I hope that our President will find a way to get out of Iraq without further attacks because I believe everyone in America is tired of seeing our soldiers die trying to set up a stable government for a country millions of miles away. Another thing I would change in America would be the school system. Yes, I know you think I am just another student that thinks school is pointless, but I have a basis for my argument. When I signed up for high school, I had a meeting with a guidance counselor to set up my classes for the upcoming year. When I got there, she had already written down 5 classes that I was required to take and I could not change these classes. I believe that students should be tested for the amount of knowledge they had acquired in junior high in these courses instead of giving every student the same class. Also, I think that they should be given a test to see what they might enjoy doing after they leave high school. Some of my classes do not interest me at all and would be useless in my life. For example, I have to have a credit in Physical Science to be considered a sophomore next year, but this class will not be useful if I go into politics. I think that students should be able to sign up for classes that specialize in one occupation and teach them how to do it well.

 

[MG1968]

spend some time in the real world before you go into politics. A political science degree is pretty worthless other than a stepping stone for a Masters and on to a PhD in some other field.

there is a Status of Forces Agreement with Iraq that, I believe, has all US combat forces out of the country some time in 2011. It's not correct to say that there is no "clear escape route". The security situation there is largely handled by Iraqi forces, with the US playing and advise and support role.

 

[Oldvol75]

To widen your point on K-12 education. I believe that there should be 2 types of High Schools. One for students that want to attend College and one for students that want to go into the work force. I understand that we have have trade schools but these should be taken a step further.

College bound students should take only the courses to prepare them for that course work. Students interested in the work force should have the basic course work in Math ,English,Social Studies, Science, along with concentrated training in their field of choice.

 

[volfanjustin]

To widen your point on K-12 education. I believe that there should be 2 types of High Schools. One for students that want to attend College and one for students that want to go into the work force. I understand that we have have trade schools but these should be taken a step further.

College bound students should take only the courses to prepare them for that course work. Students interested in the work force should have the basic course work in Math ,English,Social Studies, Science, along with concentrated training in their field of choice.

My concern there is how many times do people change careers during their lifetime? My guess would be about 3 times, they would have a hard time changing careers if they are trained in one specific field.

 

[utvolpj]

For example, I have to have a credit in Physical Science to be considered a sophomore next year, but this class will not be useful if I go into politics. I think that students should be able to sign up for classes that specialize in one occupation and teach them how to do it well.

so you see nothing going on in the country that could relate to Physical science? I'll admit I'm not 100% sure what the classes offered are but without a general understanding of science you would be clueless in many debates. Things being talked about now are global warming, oil exploration, space program, etc.

Yes, I know you think I am just another student that thinks school is pointless, but I have a basis for my argument.

no offense since it's not just you but most HS students are clueless. How can you address the problems facing this nation without an understanding of history, math, science, English, etc. Allowing a student to only learn what they think is relevant to a certain career field would be insane.

 

[Oldvol75]

My concern there is how many times do people change careers during their lifetime? My guess would be about 3 times, they would have a hard time changing careers if they are trained in one specific field.

Thats true, I have also had that thought. But there are kids out there that know without a doubt that they aren't going to college, and alot of those kids become dropouts. It's those kids that I'm really worried about. If you can get a kid and let him/her focus on something that they are interested in, they may stay in school. Thus a two tiered high School system.

 

[utvolpj]

My concern there is how many times do people change careers during their lifetime? My guess would be about 3 times, they would have a hard time changing careers if they are trained in one specific field.

that's fine but at least they have a skill to fall back on. What kind of options does a HS student who could barely obtain a diploma really have?

 

[IPorange]

A well-rounded education is vital for all American citizens. The world is a complicated place. How can someone going into politics intelligently make policy decisions, or evaluate the input of experts on particular topics, if they don't understand even the basics?

It is very reasonable for everyone with a high school diploma to have an elementary understanding of physical science (which is a very basic class).

 

[KB5252]

You never know where your path may take you. My life is a case in point. I was always pretty bad at math, mostly because I have a hard time putting value to something I can't see, to me algebra, geometry etc were nothing more than some made up numbers to test my knowledge. I never needed anything other than a basic understanding of math until I started working for the company I do now. I frequently do take offs from building plans and put together shop tickets for cut stone where algebra and geometry are certainly used on a daily basis. My point is that just because you think you'd never need certain classes when you're 17 to 20 years old doesn't mean you won't need that knowledge later in life. Just some real life experience I thought you might benefit from.

 

[IPorange]

You never know where your path may take you. My life is a case in point. I was always pretty bad at math, mostly because I have a hard time putting value to something I can't see, to me algebra, geometry etc were nothing more than some made up numbers to test my knowledge. I never needed anything other than a basic understanding of math until I started working for the company I do now. I frequently do take offs from building plans and put together shop tickets for cut stone where algebra and geometry are certainly used on a daily basis. My point is that just because you think you'd never need certain classes when you're 17 to 20 years old doesn't mean you won't need that knowledge later in life. Just some real life experience I thought you might benefit from.

This is so true. You never know what you'll need in life until you need it. It's best to go through high school like a buffet, and try to get a bit of everything.

 

[KB5252]

This is so true. You never know what you'll need in life until you need it. It's best to go through high school like a buffet, and try to get a bit of everything.

Exactly, I would also add that I never really learned algebra and had no real understanding of geometry at all. These are things I learned on the fly at my current job. You do things enough and they eventually stick. The key for an adult is repetition. Kids and young adults learn things differently than adults do, my advice is to learn it as early as you can in life.

 

[gsvol]

So, it is really late and I can't sleep so I decided to write about my future and some of my opinions about politics. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong about something.

I have not decided what to study in college as of now, I am considering going in to politics and trying to make this country a better place for people to live in. I have many opinions on political choices that our current president is making. I believe that the first step to improving this country is bringing the stock market back to normal. After the stock market got back to a stable pace, I would get our soldiers out of Iraq. I believe that declaring war on Iraq was a mistake. Yes, the attack on the World Trade Center could not have come without consequences, but Al Qaeda could have been terminated without declaring war on an entire country. Now we are stuck in this place with no clear escape route. I hope that our President will find a way to get out of Iraq without further attacks because I believe everyone in America is tired of seeing our soldiers die trying to set up a stable government for a country millions of miles away. Another thing I would change in America would be the school system. Yes, I know you think I am just another student that thinks school is pointless, but I have a basis for my argument. When I signed up for high school, I had a meeting with a guidance counselor to set up my classes for the upcoming year. When I got there, she had already written down 5 classes that I was required to take and I could not change these classes. I believe that students should be tested for the amount of knowledge they had acquired in junior high in these courses instead of giving every student the same class. Also, I think that they should be given a test to see what they might enjoy doing after they leave high school. Some of my classes do not interest me at all and would be useless in my life. For example, I have to have a credit in Physical Science to be considered a sophomore next year, but this class will not be useful if I go into politics. I think that students should be able to sign up for classes that specialize in one occupation and teach them how to do it well.

I tremble for the future of America.

What is your opinion about Afghanistan?

BTW, imo, we would all be much better off if all the politicians in Washington had a better knowledge of the Physical Sciences.

 

[lawgator1]

So, it is really late and I can't sleep so I decided to write about my future and some of my opinions about politics. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong about something.

I have not decided what to study in college as of now, I am considering going in to politics and trying to make this country a better place for people to live in. I have many opinions on political choices that our current president is making. I believe that the first step to improving this country is bringing the stock market back to normal. After the stock market got back to a stable pace, I would get our soldiers out of Iraq. I believe that declaring war on Iraq was a mistake. Yes, the attack on the World Trade Center could not have come without consequences, but Al Qaeda could have been terminated without declaring war on an entire country. Now we are stuck in this place with no clear escape route. I hope that our President will find a way to get out of Iraq without further attacks because I believe everyone in America is tired of seeing our soldiers die trying to set up a stable government for a country millions of miles away. Another thing I would change in America would be the school system. Yes, I know you think I am just another student that thinks school is pointless, but I have a basis for my argument. When I signed up for high school, I had a meeting with a guidance counselor to set up my classes for the upcoming year. When I got there, she had already written down 5 classes that I was required to take and I could not change these classes. I believe that students should be tested for the amount of knowledge they had acquired in junior high in these courses instead of giving every student the same class. Also, I think that they should be given a test to see what they might enjoy doing after they leave high school. Some of my classes do not interest me at all and would be useless in my life. For example, I have to have a credit in Physical Science to be considered a sophomore next year, but this class will not be useful if I go into politics. I think that students should be able to sign up for classes that specialize in one occupation and teach them how to do it well.

You might consider taking a remedial Geography class.

And also math.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So, it is really late and I can't sleep so I decided to write about my future and some of my opinions about politics. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong about something.

I have not decided what to study in college as of now, I am considering going in to politics and trying to make this country a better place for people to live in. I have many opinions on political choices that our current president is making. I believe that the first step to improving this country is bringing the stock market back to normal. After the stock market got back to a stable pace, I would get our soldiers out of Iraq. I believe that declaring war on Iraq was a mistake. Yes, the attack on the World Trade Center could not have come without consequences, but Al Qaeda could have been terminated without declaring war on an entire country. Now we are stuck in this place with no clear escape route. I hope that our President will find a way to get out of Iraq without further attacks because I believe everyone in America is tired of seeing our soldiers die trying to set up a stable government for a country millions of miles away. Another thing I would change in America would be the school system. Yes, I know you think I am just another student that thinks school is pointless, but I have a basis for my argument. When I signed up for high school, I had a meeting with a guidance counselor to set up my classes for the upcoming year. When I got there, she had already written down 5 classes that I was required to take and I could not change these classes. I believe that students should be tested for the amount of knowledge they had acquired in junior high in these courses instead of giving every student the same class. Also, I think that they should be given a test to see what they might enjoy doing after they leave high school. Some of my classes do not interest me at all and would be useless in my life. For example, I have to have a credit in Physical Science to be considered a sophomore next year, but this class will not be useful if I go into politics. I think that students should be able to sign up for classes that specialize in one occupation and teach them how to do it well.

Sadly, when talking about global warming, I think most politicians have no clue about physical sciences.

You may actually be on to something...

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

To widen your point on K-12 education. I believe that there should be 2 types of High Schools. One for students that want to attend College and one for students that want to go into the work force. I understand that we have have trade schools but these should be taken a step further.

Kids in college also want to go into the work force. That is the major issue. I'm not certain that most degrees in our major universities prepare students for careers or vocations. You have a few (medical, law, engineering, accounting). But the overwhelming majority of university degrees are less valuable than a two year degree at a vocational school. Seriously, I know electricians that I work with that easily crush anything the majority of liberal arts majors make in a year. But the onle thing those university kids have over those guys is that they are "well rounded individuals". I'm not sure how being well rounded puts food on the table, but oh well..

 

[JTrainDavis]

You might consider taking a remedial Geography class.

And also math.

Wow, nice, LG!

Funny story about Earth Science...I have a kid that works for me that must have dozed off in class....He knew that most of the rock formations here were a result of the glaciers advancing and receding or what not, but he couldn't figure out how the ledge didn't melt in the summer...

He was under the impression that the ice froze so solid that it became rock....:shrug:
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[Rasputin_Vol]

My concern there is how many times do people change careers during their lifetime? My guess would be about 3 times, they would have a hard time changing careers if they are trained in one specific field.

We have a bunch of people out here that are jacks of all trades but masters of none.

Nothing wrong with having a few people that specialize in a certain area.

From Adam Smith:

To take an example, therefore, from a very trifling manufacture; but one in which the division of labour has been very often taken notice of, the trade of the pin-maker; a workman not educated to this business (which the division of labour has rendered a distinct trade), nor acquainted with the use of the machinery employed in it (to the invention of which the same division of labour has probably given occasion), could scarce, perhaps, with his utmost industry, make one pin in a day, and certainly could not make twenty. But in the way in which this business is now carried on, not only the whole work is a peculiar trade, but it is divided into a number of branches, of which the greater part are likewise peculiar trades. One man draws out the wire, another straights it, a third cuts it, a fourth points it, a fifth grinds it at the top for receiving the head; to make the head requires two or three distinct operations; to put it on, is a peculiar business, to whiten the pins is another; it is even a trade by itself to put them into the paper; and the important business of making a pin is, in this manner, divided into about eighteen distinct operations, which, in some manufactories, are all performed by distinct hands, though in others the same man will sometimes perform two or three of them. I have seen a small manufactory of this kind where ten men only were employed, and where some of them consequently performed two or three distinct operations. But though they were very poor, and therefore but indifferently accommodated with the necessary machinery, they could, when they exerted themselves, make among them about twelve pounds of pins in a day. There are in a pound upwards of four thousand pins of a middling size. Those ten persons, therefore, could make among them upwards of forty-eight thousand pins in a day. Each person, therefore, making a tenth part of forty-eight thousand pins, might be considered as making four thousand eight hundred pins in a day. But if they had all wrought separately and independently, and without any of them having been educated to this peculiar business, they certainly could not each of them have made twenty, perhaps not one pin in a day; that is, certainly, not the two hundred and fortieth, perhaps not the four thousand eight hundredth part of what they are at present capable of performing, in consequence of a proper division and combination of their different operations.

 

[lawgator1]

Wow, nice, LG!

Funny story about Earth Science...I have a kid that works for me that must have dozed off in class....He knew that most of the rock formations here were a result of the glaciers advancing and receding or what not, but he couldn't figure out how the ledge didn't melt in the summer...

He was under the impression that the ice froze so solid that it became rock....:shrug:
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We once had a young woman attorney working with us. We drive a lot and get reimbursed for mileage. She once billed 3200 miles to drive from Orlando to Tampa area, and back. We thought that odd, since that's basically driving to the Pacific.

She insisted that's what her odomoeter said. Upon further inquiry, I figured out that she thought the white number was a mile, not a tenth of a mile.

 

[BigPapaVol]

We once had a young woman attorney working with us. We drive a lot and get reimbursed for mileage. She once billed 3200 miles to drive from Orlando to Tampa area, and back. We thought that odd, since that's basically driving to the Pacific.

She insisted that's what her odomoeter said. Upon further inquiry, I figured out that she thought the white number was a mile, not a tenth of a mile.

Holy shiz, did you promote her to take your job?

 

[BeecherVol]

We once had a young woman attorney working with us. We drive a lot and get reimbursed for mileage. She once billed 3200 miles to drive from Orlando to Tampa area, and back. We thought that odd, since that's basically driving to the Pacific.

She insisted that's what her odomoeter said. Upon further inquiry, I figured out that she thought the white number was a mile, not a tenth of a mile.

Ya'll prolly billed that out anyway.

 

[rjd970]

You never know where your path may take you. My life is a case in point. I was always pretty bad at math, mostly because I have a hard time putting value to something I can't see, to me algebra, geometry etc were nothing more than some made up numbers to test my knowledge. I never needed anything other than a basic understanding of math until I started working for the company I do now. I frequently do take offs from building plans and put together shop tickets for cut stone where algebra and geometry are certainly used on a daily basis. My point is that just because you think you'd never need certain classes when you're 17 to 20 years old doesn't mean you won't need that knowledge later in life. Just some real life experience I thought you might benefit from.

I actually had to use a differential equation at work today.

.....I never thought I would see the day.

 

[cwil4]

Wow, I wrote something because I was bored and it blew up like this. I know i'm not the smartest person in the world, but I just had some opinions on some things and decided to write them.

 

[cwil4]

so you see nothing going on in the country that could relate to Physical science? I'll admit I'm not 100% sure what the classes offered are but without a general understanding of science you would be clueless in many debates. Things being talked about now are global warming, oil exploration, space program, etc.



no offense since it's not just you but most HS students are clueless. How can you address the problems facing this nation without an understanding of history, math, science, English, etc. Allowing a student to only learn what they think is relevant to a certain career field would be insane.

No offense taken, I understand what you mean. I just think that you should be able to take a class or two that specializes in one career choice.

 

[JTrainDavis]

Wow, I wrote something because I was bored and it blew up like this. I know i'm not the smartest person in the world, but I just had some opinions on some things and decided to write them.

You really can't leave your gloves down in the politics forum...And fear not, you are alot smarter than a good percentage of the regular contributers around here.
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[OrangeEmpire]

You really can't leave your gloves down in the politics forum...And fear not, you are alot smarter than a good percentage of the regular contributers around here.
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How dare you!