Some people are delusional

[Tux]

There are building blocks here on both offense and defense. Where this team is lacking is QB play, D-line, and a lot of the secondary. Cam Sutton is a beast though.

Our speed at safety is a big part of our troubles. McNeil, speed-wise, is more suited to play outside linebacker than safety and Randolph is smart, but continues to take poor pursuit angles.

 

[MOOOOONEY]

Nope. This roster is definitely better than '10 and '11... and probably '09.

McCullers and AJ are still expected to be drafted by the "experts". Others will get tryouts as ufa's.... like Crompton.

Brown's contribution that year was minimal.

IIRC... that team also started the Sullins bros at 265 lbs each and an undersized RS Fr on the OL because Fulmer had left the cupboard bare. The next year Dooley ended up starting a bunch of Fr on the OL.

Tell me who at the skill positions who is better then the 10, 11, and 09 teams?

McCullers someone may take a chance on him bc of his size, AJ too slow cant play in space.

Brown was second leading rusher on team.

They are probable better at the OLINE but that was a given

 

[ericberry4heisman]

The problem is more with our depth than it is our talent. Sure, you can point out some quality players that will get a shot in the NFL.

But when Florida, Georgia, Bama, etc rotate players in, they are NFL talents is well. For instance, Brian Poole will get a shot in the NFL and is Florida's fourth best corner. Their quarterback goes down, and their back up fills the void perfectly by managing the game as well as anyone could. Everyone has at least a little bit of talent in this conference, but not everyone has depth.

We are at least two years away, and it's not a forgone conclusion that we will ever get back. Like some have said, the coaches haven't had very good game plans thus far, and people shouldn't be nearly as confident that Butch is the right guy until he actually proves it.

That being said, he is certainly headed in the right direction off the field with the great recruiting and mindset and stuff. But just like these young players, these coaches are going to be learning as they go as well. You can't know exactly what you're up against until you see it and have some game plans fail. It's going to happen. They need to learn from it and get better each week.

 

[Daloth]

You guys really think this roster isn't better than what Dooley inherited? Stop being so blind and admit the fact that our coaching is what cost us the game yesterday, not the talent. Talent wise we are still middle of the pack SEC and top 20 in the country (according to "experts" of course). Fact of the matter is our football jesus Butch Jones screwed one up yesterday and cost us a W. Now we simply wait to see if he ever makes the mistake again, because as long as he doesn't, then he's a better coach than we've had in a long time.

 

[vol2013]

You guys really think this roster isn't better than what Dooley inherited? Stop being so blind and admit the fact that our coaching is what cost us the game yesterday, not the talent. Talent wise we are still middle of the pack SEC and top 20 in the country (according to "experts" of course). Fact of the matter is our football jesus Butch Jones screwed one up yesterday and cost us a W. Now we simply wait to see if he ever makes the mistake again, because as long as he doesn't, then he's a better coach than we've had in a long time.

Lol, this can't be serious. How exactly do you get that this should be a top 20 team?

 

[Sudden Impact]

Add nick reviz, Eric Gordon, Janzen Jackson to the 09'roster

 

[VOL6479]

You guys really think this roster isn't better than what Dooley inherited? Stop being so blind and admit the fact that our coaching is what cost us the game yesterday, not the talent. Talent wise we are still middle of the pack SEC and top 20 in the country (according to "experts" of course). Fact of the matter is our football jesus Butch Jones screwed one up yesterday and cost us a W. Now we simply wait to see if he ever makes the mistake again, because as long as he doesn't, then he's a better coach than we've had in a long time.

The o line is better than what Dooley inherited that's about it. The 10 team had better skilled position players especially at wr te and maybe rb.

 

[ericberry4heisman]

You guys really think this roster isn't better than what Dooley inherited? Stop being so blind and admit the fact that our coaching is what cost us the game yesterday, not the talent. Talent wise we are still middle of the pack SEC and top 20 in the country (according to "experts" of course). Fact of the matter is our football jesus Butch Jones screwed one up yesterday and cost us a W. Now we simply wait to see if he ever makes the mistake again, because as long as he doesn't, then he's a better coach than we've had in a long time.

You're going by recruiting? If so, our recruiting class for 2009 would have ranked almost dead last in the country based on only the players that stayed at least half their career. Only one top 20 class based off that in last five years.

 

[MOOOOONEY]

Nope. This roster is definitely better than '10 and '11... and probably '09.

McCullers and AJ are still expected to be drafted by the "experts". Others will get tryouts as ufa's.... like Crompton.

Brown's contribution that year was minimal.

IIRC... that team also started the Sullins bros at 265 lbs each and an undersized RS Fr on the OL because Fulmer had left the cupboard bare. The next year Dooley ended up starting a bunch of Fr on the OL.

Lesser players are getting better results against competition that is just as tough. At some point, the OC has to give guys a chance to succeed.



I believe you are telling yourself this to avoid dealing with the fact that the last two games weren't coached well. There are numerous coaches that prove schemes can make mediocre players successful.

Even Vandy makes a habit of scheming to get players open and to give their QB easy throws.

You guys really think this roster isn't better than what Dooley inherited? Stop being so blind and admit the fact that our coaching is what cost us the game yesterday, not the talent. Talent wise we are still middle of the pack SEC and top 20 in the country (according to "experts" of course). Fact of the matter is our football jesus Butch Jones screwed one up yesterday and cost us a W. Now we simply wait to see if he ever makes the mistake again, because as long as he doesn't, then he's a better coach than we've had in a long time.

2010 team went to a bowl it had enough talent that even fooley could win 6 games. Tell me who on this roster at the skills positions are better then the 2010? back your words up with facts.

 

[vol2013]

2010 team went to a bowl it had enough talent that even fooley could win 6 games. Tell me who on this roster at the skills positions are better then the 2010? back your words up with facts.

OL: 2013
QB: Slight edge to 2010 at this point as Simms did not make as many mistakes as our current group. Will be interested to revisit this in November
RB: 2013, while neither running back is great neither trips over a blade of grass like Poole.
WR: 2010 has the easy edge
TE: Have to go with 2010 though the TE position has been so underutilized this year it is kind of tough to grade
DL: 2010
LB: Even at the level of the starters, but 2010 had more depth.
Secondary: 2013, outside of Janzen Jackson that 2010 secondary was awful. Much prefer the athletes we have there this year.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

The 2009 roster Kiffin inherited was quite talented. The following players made the league off that roster:

OT Dallas Thomas
OT Chris Scott
OG Jarrod Shaw
OG Jacques McClendon
QB Jonathan Crompton
QB BJ Coleman (whom Kiffin sent packing along with commit Tajh Boyd)
WR Denarius Moore
TE Luke Stocker
TE Jeff Cottage
RB Montario Hardesty
RB Tauren Poole
RB Bryce Brown
FB Austin Johnson
DT Montori Hughes
DT Dan Williams
DB Eric Berry

We also had OL Aaron Douglas on that roster, who was very talented, and several players who made quality contributions and had NFL talent but for injury issues that would accumulate come their professional aspirations, like Chris Walker, Ben Martin, & Wes Brown. We had other players who fit the scheme well and would win post-season all-SEC honors in their Tennessee tenures, like Rico McCoy, Janzen Jackson & Prentiss Waggner.

The reason the Sullins twins got minutes was solely because the genius Kiffin decided to play them over more talented players on the OL and because Kiffin foolishly pushed Josh McNeil too hard in practice with his knee injuries, which was just "coincidentally" the player who was the most resistant to Kiffin's attitudinal approach to UT traditions.

So you think this roster will have 20 or so players either make the league or win post-season All-SEC first or second team honors in their tenures? Who would those be?

So well said and true....:salute:

 

[OrangeAllDay]

If you're going to call someone else an idiot you should really learn to spell first.


And Luke stalker ? now that shiz cracked me up.

Lol thnks mn nxt tme I need speel ceck ill cal u

 

[DenverVol01]

I'm definitely not a Dooley apologist nor am I on here bashing CBJ but I'm sick of hearing the "we just don't have the talent" excuse. For starters, it's very disrespectful to the players on the field. How would you feel if you keep hearing your fans say there is no talent on the roster? I for one would take that very personal. Secondly, unless we're all going to agree that Rivals class ranking mean squat, which I don't really agree with, since 2010, we've averaged a class ranking of #15. Guess who else has averaged the same ranking? Oregon! I knew they weren't super high in the rankings but I wouldn't have guessed they were equal to us. Pretty certain I've never heard anyone say "oh Oregon does not have any talent". My point to all this is we have talent on both sides of the ball. Granted, our depth is not the normal SEC depth but to continue to say we have no talent to make an excuse for losing is ridiculous imo. I would be more inclined to listen to an argument being made about how this squad doesn't know how to win or has a "losing mentality". I'm keeping my fingers crossed that CBJ can teach these kids to win...starting with UGA. GO VOLS!

 

[MOOOOONEY]

I'm definitely not a Dooley apologist nor am I on here bashing CBJ but I'm sick of hearing the "we just don't have the talent" excuse. For starters, it's very disrespectful to the players on the field. How would you feel if you keep hearing your fans say there is no talent on the roster? I for one would take that very personal. Secondly, unless we're all going to agree that Rivals class ranking mean squat, which I don't really agree with, since 2010, we've averaged a class ranking of #15. Guess who else has averaged the same ranking? Oregon! I knew they weren't super high in the rankings but I wouldn't have guessed they were equal to us. Pretty certain I've never heard anyone say "oh Oregon does not have any talent". My point to all this is we have talent on both sides of the ball. Granted, our depth is not the normal SEC depth but to continue to say we have no talent to make an excuse for losing is ridiculous imo. I would be more inclined to listen to an argument being made about how this squad doesn't know how to win or has a "losing mentality". I'm keeping my fingers crossed that CBJ can teach these kids to win...starting with UGA. GO VOLS!

Gone from 2010 signing class- Bray, Hunter, Rivera, Milton, Meline not to mention Loften, Dave Clark and Brown did not make it in.

Gone from 2011- Arnett, Clear, Lanier and Martin

Gone from 2012- Bonner, Bourque, Gray, CP, Phillips, Watson.

Ok there is your "top 15 average"

 

[DenverVol01]

Gone from 2010 signing class- Bray, Hunter, Rivera, Milton, Meline not to mention Loften, Dave Clark and Brown did not make it in.

Gone from 2011- Arnett, Clear, Lanier and Martin

Gone from 2012- Bonner, Bourque, Gray, CP, Phillips, Watson.

Ok there is your "top 15 average"

So the 75+ other players that are still around have no talent?

 

[MOOOOONEY]

So the 75+ other players that are still around have no talent?

we started 2 FR and a SO at receiver, Average at best Running Backs, did you see the QB play, I mean look at Petermans offer list.

 

[KBVol]

Nope. This roster is definitely better than '10 and '11... and probably '09.

McCullers and AJ are still expected to be drafted by the "experts". Others will get tryouts as ufa's.... like Crompton.

Brown's contribution that year was minimal.

IIRC... that team also started the Sullins bros at 265 lbs each and an undersized RS Fr on the OL because Fulmer had left the cupboard bare. The next year Dooley ended up starting a bunch of Fr on the OL.

Lesser players are getting better results against competition that is just as tough. At some point, the OC has to give guys a chance to succeed.



I believe you are telling yourself this to avoid dealing with the fact that the last two games weren't coached well. There are numerous coaches that prove schemes can make mediocre players successful.

Even Vandy makes a habit of scheming to get players open and to give their QB easy throws.

Come on 18.... let it go. McCullers may get drafted but he's virtually unnoticeable out there. AJ is good vs the run in tight spaces..... and that's about it. Are we well coached right now? I don't know, doesn't really look like it to me. But they are absolutely devoid of talent on this team. No playmakers whatsoever, no team speed, virtually no skill players at all. Our "best in the country OL" is underachieving and doesn't even look like the best OL in the state of Tennessee.

Most NFL "experts" had Bray going early in the draft last year. That didn't work out so good.

Think this may be a case where you're both right..... low talented team not being coached up very well.

 

[majic73]

Nope. This roster is definitely better than '10 and '11... and probably '09.

McCullers and AJ are still expected to be drafted by the "experts". Others will get tryouts as ufa's.... like Crompton.

Brown's contribution that year was minimal.

IIRC... that team also started the Sullins bros at 265 lbs each and an undersized RS Fr on the OL because Fulmer had left the cupboard bare. The next year Dooley ended up starting a bunch of Fr on the OL.

Lesser players are getting better results against competition that is just as tough. At some point, the OC has to give guys a chance to succeed.



I believe you are telling yourself this to avoid dealing with the fact that the last two games weren't coached well. There are numerous coaches that prove schemes can make mediocre players successful.

Even Vandy makes a habit of scheming to get players open and to give their QB easy throws.

you would right on the last part , except that we do not have a QB that can complete basic , routine throws . If you want a new 'proven' scheme...well you still have to have a QB that can pass. If they can't pass from the gun , they can't pass from a drop from center . So you can rule out a power run , pro set .

I have seen no evidence that the QBs will not improve ..it will just take time ...which is the norm for 1st year QBs starting ...the ones that dont need time are the exception. I would withhold judgement on them or the scheme until nearer the end of the season. I predict the QBs will execute much better , which will lead to a better running game , and better production by the D . Next season I think the team will look much better with an established QB

Will still dont have established receivers or depth anywhere on the field . Receivers will take time. Depth will take several years of recruiting