Someone break down to me this whole thing....

#32
#32
Man I hate "the U". No, Casey wasn't bad. He didn't look too good doing it, but he got it done for the most part. He used his head much like Rick has.
 
#33
#33
I agree OWB....Casey may not have been the best guy on the field but at least he got it done when it counted..Most of the time..They say Jimmy Clausen is better than both of them put together....AND he's only a Sophmore in high school.....So just imagine how good he will be by the time he decides to make his committment....Even if we don't get Jimmy I think we will still be OK at quarterback
 
#34
#34
Just to stick up for Casey. The games we lost were lost by more than Casey. We had talent that could not play as a team. That is not Casey's fault. He was always a gamer. That OT game at Bama showed this. He scored on that lunge (although the refs said otherwise). Either way, it was a gutsy play on 4th down and he used every bit and more of his talent to make that play.

At times I cussed Casey but overall, he was a Vol all the way. His open letter to the fans was such a classy act - especially since many fans dogged him out. Is it any surprise that Rick displayed the same character? We hated him for that one play against ND but he was rock solid after that.

Anyone have that letter? I'd like to see it again.

 
#36
#36
That letter is pretty cool, I have never read that before. I was hard on Casey at certain points in the seasons he played. But I always felt very comfortable with his knowledge and good decision making. I was never really worried about him playing.....that says a lot I think.
 
#38
#38
You can be the judge. Here are Clausen's stats in each of his losses....

2000
Kansas St 35, UT 21.... 7-of-25 for 120 yds and 1 td, 3 int

2001
Georgia 26, UT 24.... 24-of-40 for 295 yds and 3 tds, 1 int
LSU 30, UT 21.... 27-of-43 for 332 yds and 2 tds, 0 int

2002
Florida 30, UT 13.... 30-of-44 for 285 yds and 1 td, 0 int (fumbles prior to halftime lead to 24 UF pts)
Alabama 34, UT 14.... 14-of-26 for 161 yds and 0 tds, 3 ints (lateral returned for TD, 1 int returned to 1 yd line)
Miami 26, UT 3... 5-of-14 for 63 yds and 0 tds, 0 ints
Maryland 30, UT 3.... 23-of-37 for 242 yds and 0 tds, 1 int returned for td

2003
Auburn 28, UT 21... 30-of-47 for 355 yds and 2 tds, 1 int
Georgia 41, UT 14... 11-of-23 for 165 yds and 1 td, 2 int (fumbled exchange before halftime led to UGA td)
Clemson 27, UT 14... 31-of-55 for 384 yds and 2 tds, 0 int
 
#39
#39
Originally posted by allvol@Jan 11, 2005 9:42 AM
You can be the judge. Here are Clausen's stats in each of his losses....

2000
Kansas St 35, UT 21.... 7-of-25 for 120 yds and 1 td, 3 int

2001
Georgia 26, UT 24.... 24-of-40 for 295 yds and 3 tds, 1 int
LSU 30, UT 21.... 27-of-43 for 332 yds and 2 tds, 0 int

2002
Florida 30, UT 13.... 30-of-44 for 285 yds and 1 td, 0 int (fumbles prior to halftime lead to 24 UF pts)
Alabama 34, UT 14.... 14-of-26 for 161 yds and 0 tds, 3 ints (lateral returned for TD, 1 int returned to 1 yd line)
Miami 26, UT 3... 5-of-14 for 63 yds and 0 tds, 0 ints
Maryland 30, UT 3.... 23-of-37 for 242 yds and 0 tds, 1 int returned for td

2003
Auburn 28, UT 21... 30-of-47 for 355 yds and 2 tds, 1 int
Georgia 41, UT 14... 11-of-23 for 165 yds and 1 td, 2 int (fumbled exchange before halftime led to UGA td)
Clemson 27, UT 14... 31-of-55 for 384 yds and 2 tds, 0 int
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Not sure what conclusions to draw.

Four or five of those games show very solid numbers. Three or four show poor numbers.

What's missing are stats on:

missed tackles, fumbles by other players, dropped passes, bad routes, general listlessness by the team, coaching failures, unlucky bounces, bad calls, outstanding plays by opponents, errors in the kicking game and all manner of violations of the maxims to name a few.

Football is a team sport. The QB has more impact than any other player but wins and losses are not entirely within their control. For example - check the 2 losses in 2001 - we would have loved those numbers in some games this year (that we won with worse performane at the QB position).

 
#40
#40
Originally posted by allvol@Jan 11, 2005 9:42 AM
Florida 30, UT 13.... 30-of-44 for 285 yds and 1 td, 0 int (fumbles prior to halftime lead to 24 UF pts)
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I remember this game well. It was so strange with all of those fumbles happening. I always worried about Casey playing in weather. How many of those games was it raining or really cold?
 
#41
#41
Originally posted by volinbham+Jan 11, 2005 10:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (volinbham @ Jan 11, 2005 10:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-allvol@Jan 11, 2005 9:42 AM
You can be the judge.  Here are Clausen&#39;s stats in each of his losses....

2000
Kansas St 35, UT 21.... 7-of-25 for 120 yds and 1 td, 3 int

2001
Georgia 26, UT 24.... 24-of-40 for 295 yds and 3 tds, 1 int
LSU 30, UT 21.... 27-of-43 for 332 yds and 2 tds, 0 int

2002
Florida 30, UT 13.... 30-of-44 for 285 yds and 1 td, 0 int (fumbles prior to halftime lead to 24 UF pts)
Alabama 34, UT 14.... 14-of-26 for 161 yds and 0 tds, 3 ints (lateral returned for TD, 1 int returned to 1 yd line)
Miami 26, UT 3... 5-of-14 for 63 yds and 0 tds, 0 ints
Maryland 30, UT 3.... 23-of-37 for 242 yds and 0 tds, 1 int returned for td

2003
Auburn 28, UT 21... 30-of-47 for 355 yds and 2 tds, 1 int
Georgia 41, UT 14...  11-of-23 for 165 yds and 1 td, 2 int (fumbled exchange before halftime led to UGA td)
Clemson 27, UT 14... 31-of-55 for 384 yds and 2 tds, 0 int
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Not sure what conclusions to draw.

Four or five of those games show very solid numbers. Three or four show poor numbers.

What&#39;s missing are stats on:

missed tackles, fumbles by other players, dropped passes, bad routes, general listlessness by the team, coaching failures, unlucky bounces, bad calls, outstanding plays by opponents, errors in the kicking game and all manner of violations of the maxims to name a few.

Football is a team sport. The QB has more impact than any other player but wins and losses are not entirely within their control. For example - check the 2 losses in 2001 - we would have loved those numbers in some games this year (that we won with worse performane at the QB position). [/quote]
If you want my opinion having watched all of these games, I would say that Clausen played a major role in losing against Kansas State in the Cotton Bowl, all 4 losses he started in 2002, and the Georgia game in 2003.

Tennessee played poor defense against Georgia in the last minute of the 2001 loss. LSU won the SECCG after 4th quarter fumbles from Travis Stephens and Donte Stallworth. Clausen almost singlehandedly came from behind to tie the game against Auburn in 2003 after being down by 21 points. And I&#39;m still on the fence regarding the Clemson game. He had good stats, but could lead the team into the endzone very well.
 
#42
#42
Originally posted by allvol@Jan 11, 2005 11:36 AM
I would say that Clausen played a major role in losing against Kansas State in the Cotton Bowl, all 4 losses he started in 2002, and the Georgia game in 2003.
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Yes, but in 2002 it seemed like every player we had was injured. There were a lot of starters missing games. That is no excuse, I know. I never want to see a season like that again. Even though this one pretty bad injury wise too.
 
#43
#43
In 2002 we had more injuries on defense than offense (KB, Kevin simon, for example) than on offense, yet it was the offense that was terrible. We lost to UF with alot of healthy guys on offense, and nearly lost to Rutgers. While we ahd alot of injuries that year, it is an excuse that was a bit overstated that year, IMO, because our d took the brunt of the injury bug, yet they were the guys that kept us in the UGA game, and helped us win the games we did.
 
#44
#44
Originally posted by orangetd88@Jan 11, 2005 2:02 PM
In 2002 we had more injuries on defense than offense (KB, Kevin simon, for example) than on offense, yet it was the offense that was terrible. We lost to UF with alot of healthy guys on offense, and nearly lost to Rutgers. While we ahd alot of injuries that year, it is an excuse that was a bit overstated that year, IMO, because our d took the brunt of the injury bug, yet they were the guys that kept us in the UGA game, and helped us win the games we did.
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In 2002 our OL went through some injury problems, Herrera struggled with his knee and ankle, Munoz with his shoulder to name two. Houston had torn ligaments in his thumb and wore a cast. But remember, even Casey didn&#39;t play every game that year. He had that shoulder injury. IMO, the injuries on defense hurt out offense. The defense was not able to give the offense more oppurtunities to score. The field position was horrible at times. It threw that balance off.
 
#46
#46
..................aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand another poor, unsuspecting post deteriorates into a Casey-bashing.

:flush:
 
#47
#47
Part of the problems with those teams were:
A: Kelly Washington - spoke his mind and some players didn&#39;t like it.
B: A certain player thought her should be QB and split the team
C: Had a player who thought he was an AA TB playing FB and wouldn&#39;t do his job. Can&#39;t run the ball when the FB will not block
Now your all you do is throw but oops in 2002 the WR&#39;s were either extremely young or just bad, 2003 was 2002 without the injuries but the SAME bad chemistry stayed for the most part. 2000 Clausen was a Freshman QB who look good at times and bad at times but the whole team bomb against K-State not only Casey.
 
#48
#48
Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Jan 11, 2005 4:47 PM
..................aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand another poor, unsuspecting post deteriorates into a Casey-bashing.

:flush:
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And to think my original comments were intended as Casey praise :blink:

We won a lot of games with that guy at the helm and he proved to be a loyal to the university even when criticized. In my book, that deserves praise. :clap:
 
#49
#49
I don&#39;t think that anyone was actually bashing Casey in this one. His name just happened to come up again.....
 
#50
#50
No Casey bashing, really. I was just making the point about the defense carrying the offense in 02, even though they had more injuries that year.

Not trying to start an argument. LOL
 
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