Something fans need to realize

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Scottyhop said:
Any fan who won't support bruce and UT basketball after this is not a fan. We don't need them and I don't want them. Bruce got caught bending the rules. I still love and support he and the Vols! If anyone wants to jump off the wagon, ADIOS! Ill enjoy paying less for season tickets.
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It's like if you don't support Obama you are a racist or if you didn't support Bush you were anti-American and hated our troops. Seriously how is it so black and white with some of you people. Hitler could have taken over this board with a few key wins over rivals.
 
#27
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BigPapaVol said:
Ridiculous. Bruce got caught scheming to BREAK the rules and then intentionally breaking said rules then lying about it becausehe believed he wouldn't be caught. You can minimize that as you see fit, but to pretend that people don't have a legit beef here is dumb as hell.
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Ridiculous how?

Accept college sports for what it is. A corrupt money pit. Majority of competitive college teams "bend" the rules. Bruce wins more than any other coach in UT history. Not supporting him because he bends the rules is hypocritical if you want a national championship basketball team.
 
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Scottyhop said:
Ridiculous how?

Accept college sports for what it is. A corrupt money pit. Majority of competitive college teams "bend" the rules. Bruce wins more than any other coach in UT history. Not supporting him because he bends the rules is hypocritical if you want a national championship basketball team.
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So we have just become "if you cant beat UK at the game join them" So you had no problem with Kiffin's tactics during his tenure? Im guessing so since you do at least seem consistent in your philosophy which i can respect to a degree.
 
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wounded mullet said:
So we have just become "if you cant beat UK at the game join them" So you had no problem with Kiffin's tactics during his tenure? Im guessing so since you do at least seem consistent in your philosophy which i can respect to a degree.
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If Kiffin wouldn't have left and never got caught I would have loved it. I care about UT winning. Bottom line. The NCAA is one of the most corrupt businesses in the USA. I accept that and I except UT coaches to do what is needed to stay competitive.

To ask for a squeaky clean coach who wins NCs is unreasonable. I wouldn't even trust Izzo. Dig deep into Zach Randolph and Marcus Taylor's recruitment and I bet you find something.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Ridiculous. Bruce got caught scheming to BREAK the rules and then intentionally breaking said rules then lying about it becausehe believed he wouldn't be caught. You can minimize that as you see fit, but to pretend that people don't have a legit beef here is dumb as hell.
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Fine have a beef. But I don't want to hear them crying when UK and Bama are pounding are "clean teams" into submission.
 
#31
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Scottyhop said:
Ridiculous how?

Accept college sports for what it is. A corrupt money pit. Majority of competitive college teams "bend" the rules. Bruce wins more than any other coach in UT history. Not supporting him because he bends the rules is hypocritical if you want a national championship basketball team.
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He didn't "bend" the rules. He intentionally broke them. He schemed in the process and then lied about it. Regardless how you view it, to act as if people don't have a legitimate reason to be mad, disappointed or otherwise is silly. Your hypocritical comment is utter garbage, as bending the rules isn't what occurred.
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#32
#32
Scottyhop said:
Fine have a beef. But I don't want to hear them crying when UK and Bama are pounding are "clean teams" into submission.
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Nobody cares what you want to hear. Advocating cheating makes you scum.
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#33
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Scottyhop said:
If Kiffin wouldn't have left and never got caught I would have loved it. I care about UT winning. Bottom line. The NCAA is one of the most corrupt businesses in the USA. I accept that and I except UT coaches to do what is needed to stay competitive.

To ask for a squeaky clean coach who wins NCs is unreasonable. I wouldn't even trust Izzo. Dig deep into Zach Randolph and Marcus Taylor's recruitment and I bet you find something.
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So we can at least agree Bruce sucks at doing the dirty in the college basketball recruiting world. I mean if we are going to have a good cheater at least have one that dosent lie, then backtrack and then pull a Tebow and suddenly get saved by the fire bell before Mr Belding intervenes.The thing with Cal is even the best cheater in the biz knows when to leave before the napalm engulfs the campus and we are left picking up the pieces and vacated losses.

I am not naive and thinks that the world of college sports isn't all candy canes and the Gordon Hayward's of the world but this whole mess just stinks and dosent seem worthy of a mess for an elite 8 appearance.
 
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wounded mullet said:
So we can at least agree Bruce sucks at doing the dirty in the college basketball recruiting world. I mean if we are going to have a good cheater at least have one that dosent lie, then backtrack and then pull a Tebow and suddenly get saved by the fire bell before Mr Belding intervenes.The thing with Cal is even the best cheater in the biz knows when to leave before the napalm engulfs the campus and we are left picking up the pieces and vacated losses.

I am not naive and thinks that the world of college sports isn't all candy canes and the Gordon Hayward's of the world but this whole mess just stinks and dosent seem worthy of a mess for an elite 8 appearance.
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To be completely honest, I think Bruce is taking this rather small hit to avoid digging deeper into the Ramar Smith Recruitment. I would say that is smart.

I felt Bruce was "bending" rules since year 2, but I had no problems with it. The majority of this board just decided to believe Bruce was turning UT into a bball destination with elbow grease. I see the NCAA for what it is.
 
#36
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Scottyhop said:
To be completely honest, I think Bruce is taking this rather small hit to avoid digging deeper into the Ramar Smith Recruitment. I would say that is smart.

I felt Bruce was "bending" rules since year 2, but I had no problems with it. The majority of this board just decided to believe Bruce was turning UT into a bball destination with elbow grease. I see the NCAA for what it is.
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Awesome, cover up another scandal. Brilliant move.
 
#37
#37
BigPapaVol said:
Nobody cares what you want to hear. Advocating cheating makes you scum.
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FINE! Live in fantasy land. Keep thinking that if the NCAA digged into the 98 UT Football team they would find nothing, but hard working students.
 
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#38
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I wish I could stay up and chat with you boys, but I have to wake up at noon tomorrow and start drinking.

GO VOLS!
 
#39
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Scottyhop said:
FINE! Live in fantasy land. Keep thinking that if the NCAA digged into the 98 UT Football team they would fine nothing, but hard working students.
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Who said anything of that nature? I'm saying your argument to ignore this just doesn't make sense. Clearly people are being rational in finding this a problem. Not all buy the slippery slope that you are advocating. None are buying that the lie to the AA is justifiable in any way.
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#40
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Vercingetorix said:
1) We've kept a kegerator with a mostly constant keg of Guinness in our house ever since our elder child became too ambulatory and ruined our time in the pubs. I fart in your general direction for even entertaining the idea that I'd have anything other than the proper nitrogen/CO2 mix hooked up to it.

2) I'm in Atlanta. We can get Torpedo in most of the decent grocery stores, as well as all of the liquor stores. I've been sort of done with Sierra Nevada beers for a long time, but when they came out with the Torpedo they sucked me back in. Delicioso!
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Just making sure your running the right gases to the keg! I work for the distributor here in Knoxville and we havent got Torpedo yet, although we are getting more and more Sierra products every so often.
 
#41
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So mark it down, if ScottyHop EVER bashes another school for cheating then make sure to call him out on it, since it's apparently ok for UT to do so.
 
#42
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It's hilarious to see people acting like this is no big deal yet they thought Kiffin raped their dog when he committed secondary violations.
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#43
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timmy said:
It's hilarious to see people acting like this is no big deal yet they thought Kiffin raped their dog when he committed secondary violations.
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That's because bruce is god to most of them.
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#44
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timmy said:
It's hilarious to see people acting like this is no big deal yet they thought Kiffin raped their dog when he committed secondary violations.
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Plus they'd be foaming at the mouth if this were another coach/school.
 
#45
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bigorange34232 said:
All these Pearl haters on here saying they wont watch the team again and Pearl should be fired need to wake the f up. If anybody wants to be successful in college sports you have to bend the rules. Not by paying players or academic fraud, or something serious like that, but by finding the holes in the rule book. Think Nick Saban is an angel? Not hardly. The bump-in rule was created because of him. It's just like Nascar. If your not trying to push the limits you will go from finishing 1st to finishing 30th. Look at Jimmie Johnson he has won 5 championships in a row and he has been caught cheating several times. It's not like Pearl used an illegible player in a game. They were making too many calls to recruits to gain an advantage on teams that were doing other things to get an advantage. It's a dog eat dog world out there. Lying didnt help anything but at least he admitted it now. Give the man a second chance. I'd rather win and make too many phone calls than lose and be likeable (BUZZ PETERSON)
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Jimmie only has 4 championships but hopefully it's 5 by season's end.
 
#47
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615 Vol said:
It might be because Kiffin was doing something on a monthly basis whereas Pearl had a clean record prior to this.
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The chances that this is a one-time deal are slim to none. And slim just walked out the door.
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#48
#48
NYYVol said:
The chances that this is a one-time deal are slim to none. And slim just walked out the door.
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No, I agree with you. I was saying that people treat Pearl, or have treated Pearl on a higher level, until now was because he had a clean record prior to this. I agree with you, this changes everything but Kiffin irritated people because although things were usually minor, he just continued to do things.

I think people will be harder on Pearl moving forward and he can't screw up again.


The worst part of this is the potential of bringing Phil in as AD. People upset about MH will really be happy when Fulmer comes back.
 
#49
#49
cncchris33 said:
While I disagree with your premise that you have to cheat to win, I agree that there are others out there doing far worse. The rules are the rules and they exist to keep order and a level playing field. In a perfect world, everyone follows them, the coaches and players let it play out on the court, and are judged on their own merit.

In the long run, cheating is cheating. Whether you pay players, or make an extra phone call. Lying about it only compounds the severity.

I'd rather win and play by the rules because I would like to think that there is some bit of purity in amateur athletics. Unfortunately, our money-driven society teaches a different philosophy.
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you think the playing field is leval then you are crazy,if it is so even how does calipari who has left 3 ncaa schools right before ncaa sanctions and is doing much more at uk were with almost 5million plus the alumani that would do anything to make sure ky wins,the players are more likely making five or six figures,which is being hidden by the families until they leave uk .i know its true i knew a kentuky booster who gave ky money for 15 to 20 just to give players money ,he told me that is how his son played at uk,he gave mollions ,he took me to watch the sec tourny when barkly was at auburn plus he also took me to more than 30basketball and football games mostly when playing tennessee but a few others until his death,as long as calipari can pay players he will get the best ,until ncaa bands coaches llike calipari and others who get cought with major violations and just leave and go to another school,
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