Something's Fishy In Clemson

#54
#54
the.one.the.only said:
Seriously rex. Clemsonvol, you'd trade a 7-8 minute walk to throw a football? At Tech I have a 1 minute walk to my dorm and i still have plenty of space to throw a "frisbee or football". Don't sit here and put words in my mouth. First of all, rex is closer to the truth than you are. Second, that's great that your Christian, I am too, but I'm sick of all you hardcore Christians trying to forcefeed your morals down my throat. I'm sorry, I have my own beliefs just like you have yours, except I don't look down on people who think different of me. Does that make any sense to you? Probably not. Ok I live in Atlanta, does that mean we have no green space to lounge out or throw a frisbee? No. As a matter of fact, I'm 99% sure that we have more green space than yall do. So in conclusion, I think you, Clemsonvol, are further from the truth than anyone posting in this thread. Say what you want about how great Clemson is, the unbiased observer knows better. Get over yourself, and your college. Karma's a B, and your coach/football team will find out that when the NCAA figures out these mysterious top 5 recruiting classes yall have been getting. Just remember, you're Clemson. Don't mistake yourself for a Tennessee...
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I don't think he was attacking your beliefs at all. If anything, it looked like you were trying to get something started.
 
#55
#55
chavisut said:
I don't think he was attacking your beliefs at all. If anything, it looked like you were trying to get something started.
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Honest to God, I was/am not. I just felt I needed to say something. Again, sorry if it offended you. Read the whole thread, then reply....
 
#58
#58
Ok, I'll go ahead and reply. Sorry if I have other commitments to where I can't check this frequently.

1st - I would like to say there isn't one place in the world that everyone finds "perfect." Everyone has different preferences. Obviously my preferences are different than your guys'. Some people like the big cities, some like rural farms. We don't see eye to eye, and that is fine.

2nd - This whole Christian/drinking thing. If me being a hardcore Christian means living my life by God's word and his teachings, so be it. There are specific things that I believe in and live my life by everyday. If I said that you weren't Christian because you drink, you obviously took me the wrong way. It hit a nerve with me that Rex said "if you aren't greek at Clemson it sucks" because he has been there 4 times with a fraternity. Maybe I've been oblivious to common knowledge and perception, but fraternities and Christian lifestyles aren't synonomous in our society. I have Christian friends in fraternities, but more of them aren't than are. I'm so happy that you follow God, but don't attack me because I said that "you don't need alcohol to have fun." I believe that is true, and it is my opinion.

3rd - Back to Clemson recruiting, no one really needs to worry. We've been recruiting players for a couple years now (ex. James Davis, CJ Spiller, Jacoby Ford, Da'Quan Bowers, and now Loston), but how many ACC Championships has Clemson played in? I think Bowden is something like 1-10 against teams ranked in the final top 25. We can't win the big game (except the fluke of the UT game in the Peach Bowl.) College sports recruiting and player treatment is dirty, and everyone knows that. They just hate admitting their team does it. Maybe we are, maybe we aren't.
 
#59
#59
Also, I went back and looked at my previous quote, and in no way did I call you out about drinking and Christianity. I simply related Christians and people who don't drink. Sorry if you did take it the wrong way.
 
#60
#60
Clemson Volunteer Fan said:
but fraternities and Christian lifestyles aren't synonomous in our society. I have Christian friends in fraternities, but more of them aren't than are.
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The vast majority of fraternities have elected chaplains. Many also require you to take an oath that directly mentions a commitment to God. Usually a prayer is said before every weekly chapter meeting. A Bible is normally displayed at formal meetings. Some amount of community service is usually a semester requirement for active fraternity membership. Most fraternities also have some form of an honor council to guide the behavior of wayward brothers. If you think fraternity men are really any farther from the Christian lifestyle than any random assortment of guys living in Reese Hall or Fort Sanders, then you've just seen one to many frat movies.
 
#62
#62
kptvol said:
The vast majority of fraternities have elected chaplains. Many also require you to take an oath that directly mentions a commitment to God. Usually a prayer is said before every weekly chapter meeting. A Bible is normally displayed at formal meetings. Some amount of community service is usually a semester requirement for active fraternity membership. Most fraternities also have some form of an honor council to guide the behavior of wayward brothers. If you think fraternity men are really any farther from the Christian lifestyle than any random assortment of guys living in Reese Hall or Fort Sanders, then you've just seen one to many frat movies.
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100% correct. thank you KPT.
 
#64
#64
kptvol said:
The vast majority of fraternities have elected chaplains. Many also require you to take an oath that directly mentions a commitment to God. Usually a prayer is said before every weekly chapter meeting. A Bible is normally displayed at formal meetings. Some amount of community service is usually a semester requirement for active fraternity membership. Most fraternities also have some form of an honor council to guide the behavior of wayward brothers. If you think fraternity men are really any farther from the Christian lifestyle than any random assortment of guys living in Reese Hall or Fort Sanders, then you've just seen one to many frat movies.
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Sorry, again speaking from personal experience. No, I'm not in a fraternity so I wouldn't know those things. What I have taken in from my Greek friends is that Saturday night house parties don't consist of Bible studies. I don't stay in on Sat nights and pray over my friends who are too hammered to find their way home that night, but, as a leader in a Christian ministry, I know first hand how lost some of my friends are. Mostly because they get no faith support from their closest friends who drag them down (in these cases, druken/high fraternity guys).
Sorry to everyone I've apparently offended. I just know that I'm not the only one who shares these beliefs. Before rex or anyone else jumps on me, I would like to say that, in my personal experience, fraternities do not foster the greatest amount of growth for a college student wanting to grow in their faith. Fraternities do great things in the community and throughout the campus. But going back to my original point, I will stand by my comment in saying that you don't have to drink to have fun.
 
#67
#67
kptvol said:
Nor do you have to be an alcoholic, or even drink alcohol, to join a fraternity.
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Agreed, I'm in a fraternity and have never been drunk in my life. There are some good christian brothers in my frat, my best friend in the fraternity is actually planning on attending seminary school after graduating. However, I don't see where clemsonvol ever said anything to warrant that comment.
 
#71
#71
We dont need to have the alcohol/religion debate. Obviously wine was a big part of the culture at that time. Alcohol is not bad, in and of itslef. Like many other things, its just he abuse of the alcohol that is wrong.
 
#73
#73
I had some great Christian friends in my frat
 

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