Special exemptions: aka why Tennessee will always be at a disadvantage

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The article quoted by DaddyChad in the OP is eight friggin years old.

Eight years is a long time.

Eight years ago, very few Vols fans had ever heard of Butch Jones. Heck, very few Cincinnati fans, either; he was still at CMU back then.

Eight years ago, very few of us had even heard of Derek Dooley. When this article was written, not a single mattress had died from smoke inhalation as a result of Lane Kiffin's departure; because he hadn't left yet.

Eight years is one hell of a long time.

I see no evidence that the OP (or anyone else) checked to see how much conditions have changed over those eight long years. Checked to see whether any of it remains valid, or to what degree.

When it comes to things as fluid as college admissions policies, you might as well have started a conversation about an article from the 1970s.

Bogus thread, I'm thinking. Chad, if you have reason to believe this article has continuing relevance, please explain why and how.


EDIT: reading the article a second time, noticed that not only is the article from 2009, but the DATA used in writing the article is from 2006 and earlier. In other words, the information is all more than a decade old. Old news. Way old. And way-old news applied to current times without any updates = fake news.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
And all this time I thought the purpose of a university was education. Apparently that has changed in the minds of some.
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More revenue=more opportunities for higher education.

I get your point but revenue from sports provide a lot for academics. We're not on an even playing field with the rest of our conference.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
The article quoted by the OP is eight friggin years old.

Eight years is a long time.

Eight years ago, very few Vols fans had ever heard of Butch Jones. Heck, very few Cincinnati fans, either; he was still at CMU back then.

Eight years ago, very few of us had even heard of Derek Dooley. When this article was written, not a single mattress had died from smoke inhalation as a result of Lane Kiffin's departure; because he hadn't left yet.

Eight years is one hell of a long time.

I see no evidence that the OP (or anyone else) checked to see how much conditions have changed over those eight long years. Checked to see whether any of it remains valid, or to what degree.

When it comes to things as fluid as college admissions policies, you might as well have started a conversation about an article from the 1970s.

Bogus thread, I'm thinking.
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Tennessee still doesn't use exemptions on student athletes. You can find examples at every SEC program over the years and you will not find one at Tennessee. Bama had 19 in a three year period in comparison.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Tennessee still doesn't use exemptions on student athletes. You can find examples at every SEC program over the years and you will not find one at Tennessee. Bama had 19 in a three year period in comparison.
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How do you know Tennessee doesn't provide exemptions?


That 3-year-period you reference was from 2004 to 2006. The data you're looking at is more than a decade old. Do you have any idea what exemptions any SEC school has provided in, say, the past five years (2013-2017, inclusive)?

Simple question, Chad: how do you know Tennessee doesn't provide exemptions today? Hasn't recently?
 
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ducej11 said:
This isn't the reason we have been losing. Last I checked Butch hauled in top 10 recruiting classes. Now, this might be a reason why we spend so much on recruiting, because we have to broaden our base, but it certainly isn't the reason we haven't competed for an SEC championship in recent years.
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Losing Brown was a major setback in building the line. There have been other players UT had backed off on due to this issue. It's definitely a factor. Not the reason for Butch's failure.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
How do you know Tennessee doesn't provide exemptions?


That 3-year-period you reference was from 2004 to 2006. The data you're looking at is more than a decade old. Do you have any idea what exemptions any SEC school has provided in, say, the past five years (2013-2017, inclusive)?

Simple question, Chad: how do you know Tennessee doesn't provide exemptions today? Hasn't recently?
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The simple answer is that it happens every year at other universities if you follow recruiting. It never has happened at Tennessee. Now I can't give you stats BC none exist since this article BC almost every single program does it but Tennessee. I'm not sure if it's BC they do not allow it or that they just haven't utilized it to this point.
 
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utvolpj said:
His GPA was sub 2 and even OU thought he was juco bound. Magically he did better in summer school than he had ever done in school before and amazingly qualified at the Oklahoma institute of higher learning.
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Yada, yada, yada......not sure how you know all the personal stuff on Orlando....or do you?

Either way, UT withdrew its offer at the 11th hour because they knew he wouldn’t be admitted to the university....Oklahoma made good on its offer because they knew/figured he’d get in.....and 4 academic years later for Orlando, the rest is history.
 
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JettVol said:
So how was fulmer able to do it back in the 90's? Or did we change this after he left? Legit question.
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Admission standards changed significantly toward the latter part of Phil’s tenure. I’ve heard Doug Mathews discuss this a handful of times.
 
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KBVol said:
Yada, yada, yada......not sure how you know all the personal stuff on Orlando....or do you?

Either way, UT withdrew its offer at the 11th hour because they knew he wouldn’t be admitted to the university....Oklahoma made good on its offer because they knew/figured he’d get in.....and 4 academic years later for Orlando, the rest is history.
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I know what's documented. Look it up if you're actually interested
 
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DaddyChad said:
The simple answer is that it happens every year at other universities if you follow recruiting. It never has happened at Tennessee. Now I can't give you stats BC none exist since this article BC almost every single program does it but Tennessee. I'm not sure if it's BC they do not allow it or that they just haven't utilized it to this point.
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Sure, you could give the stats, if you had a source for them. But I suspect you don't. Nothing newer than an 8-year-old article with 10+ year old data.

When you say "it has never happened at Tennessee." the only data you base that on is an article concerning data from a three-year period (2004-2006). That's not "never," that's just a single three-year period.

You don't know how many UT has granted, say, between 2013 and 2017. Do you?
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
And all this time I thought the purpose of a university was education. Apparently that has changed in the minds of some.
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It's only part of it. It's to prepare you for life and hopefully to make something of yourself.

If a kid goes to a school, plays a sport, stay academically eligible, and goes on to make millions playing that sport I'd say the school did its job, wouldn't you?
 
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93TNVol said:
Marty McFly must have fired up the DeLorean to go back 8 years for that article. :)

Either way, we get plenty of talent, just need to coach them.
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We are probably behind, on a cumulative basis, Tennessee is likely behind Alabama, Georgia, Florida and LSU in 5 -year average recruiting rankings. The fact that Tennessee is the only SEC school which does not give a recruiting advantage results in those 5 SEC schools and the rest of our opponents being able to recruit 4 and 5 star players who can not be approved to enter Tennessee. I am not sure if Davenport will ever allow that to happen. As I have stated before, the coaches and the AD are not always the reason our Sports programs have not lived up to expectation over the last ten years or so. The major problems are the next two levels above the A
 
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k-town_king said:
The purpose is to learn what you need to for a career. If his career is going to be football everything is ok.
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Well, it's not like universities are interchangeable with technical schools.

The purpose of universities has been, over many centuries, to provide a liberal education to (generally) young adults of beyond-common intellect and/or means (not liberal as in "democrat" but liberal as in "broad," "wide-ranging" or "extensive," like when you say you put a "liberal amount of hot sauce on your food").

Trade schools and technical schools (some of which call themselves colleges) teach what you need for a specific job.

I suppose you could say that graduate schools (like law school) are technical schools at the classically professional level (doctors, lawyers, theologians).

But in general, universities are about broad-based education, with a focus in the area of your intended profession.

So saying a football or basketball player "majors" in their sport while also getting that broad-based education across a variety of disciplines, that would be fair I think.

But it ain't just about learning your job.
 
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Our football players must meet minimum NCAA standards...a non-football player wouldn't get into UT just meeting the minimum...that's advantage enough...
 
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We just placed the 2 top offense and defensive players into the NFL this year with Kamara and Barnett
 
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utvolpj said:
His GPA was sub 2 and even OU thought he was juco bound. Magically he did better in summer school than he had ever done in school before and amazingly qualified at the Oklahoma institute of higher learning.
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:eek:lol:If you had asked me to make that up at the end to sound funny, I could not have made it sound better...
 
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k-town_king said:
Then college students should have to travel every weekend of the fall semester and work out, train, and practice for 8 hours each day. Fair enough?

Some time exemptions need to be made for special circumstances.

When other students make the school millions they can get their special treatment.
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This is what so many fans completely miss.

They expect the student athletes lo be able to give up a minimum of 20 hours per week preparing to entertain them on the weekend and still perform at the same level academically.

What I've noticed is the posters most likely to think it should be this way see the ones who most likely didn't attend college and almost assuredly didn't compete in athletics in college.

A company i previously worked with would hire an athlete with a 3.7 gpa in college over a 4.0 non athlete. The athletes were typically more well rounded and likely had worked as hard as the 4.0 applicant
 
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All in all, I prefer a good academic reputation whether or not that affects the athletic program. But then, I have a vested interest as I hold two degrees from UTK and don't appreciate being looked down upon.
 
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Already another thread on this. If other teams are getting guys that could help us because they can't get in here, including Vanderbilt. well then you see part of the problem. You can't have it both ways. Just get out of the SEC if you want to handicap your chances of ever beating the teams you directly compete against.
 
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