Spineless Athletic Directors.

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hatvol96

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Watching the situations at Kansas and Florida State has yet again proven to me that being an athletic director is a job where intestinal fortitude is optional. The idea that Mark Mangino, who has accomplished all that can be reasonably expected in Lawrence, may be fired because a few crybabies think he's too tough is sickening. However, that's not even the most revolting conduct by an AD. You either let Bobby Bowden coach another season or you tell him it's over. You don't insult a legend, as well as your fanbase's intelligence, by telling him he can come back in a "reduced role" for one more season. Disgraceful. The alums and boosters at both places should be screaming for change to start at the top of their athletic departments.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Watching the situations at Kansas and Florida State has yet again proven to me that being an athletic director is a job where intestinal fortitude is optional. The idea that Mark Mangino, who has accomplished all that can be reasonably expected in Lawrence, may be fired because a few crybabies think he's too tough is sickening. However, that's not even the most revolting conduct by an AD. You either let Bobby Bowden coach another season or you tell him it's over. You don't insult a legend, as well as your fanbase's intelligence, by telling him he can come back in a "reduced role" for one more season. Disgraceful. The alums and boosters at both places should be screaming for change to start at the top of their athletic departments.
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1) Mangino should NOT be fired. Football is a tough guys business. If you can't handle the tough love, you shouldn't be a football player or coach.

2) Bobby Bowden has earned the right to decide whether he returns or not. The fact that the athletic department/boosters only want him back as, essentially, a figurehead, is outrageous to me.
 
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Same with Hamilton, to some extent. I'm assuming he had something to do with giving Phil a job after he was fired.
 
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hatvol96 said:
That's an incorrect assumption. That was all the brainchild of the now deposed university president.
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:hi: In that case, Hamilton is NOT spineless, at all. He was able to admit his mistake with the contract extension and clean house. Good for him.

Edit: I really don't think Bowden should be able to decide his future. That program has been mediocre for a long time.
 
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braths said:
1) Mangino should NOT be fired. Football is a tough guys business. If you can't handle the tough love, you shouldn't be a football player or coach.

2) Bobby Bowden has earned the right to decide whether he returns or not. The fact that the athletic department/boosters only want him back as, essentially, a figurehead, is outrageous to me.
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Sounds like JoePa.
 
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Sad situation at Florida State. Not only do you sit on the fence about pushing out the person who evolved your football program into what it is today, you end up with Jimbo Fisher. How many years does he last if he doesn't win immediately?
 
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Spens said:
:hi: In that case, Hamilton is NOT spineless, at all. He was able to admit his mistake with the contract extension and clean house. Good for him.

Edit: I really don't think Bowden should be able to decide his future. That program has been mediocre for a long time.
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I don't think he should make the decision. My problem is with an AD proposing an idiotic "Farewell Tour" situation instead of making a real decision.
 
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Agreed. That was directed at braths. I hope that Bowden turns that ridiculous offer down. What is his buy out?
 
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The university president and the athletic director both were absent at the press conference announcing Bowden's retirement today. Disgraceful.
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hatvol96 said:
The university president and the athletic director both were absent at the press conference announcing Bowden's retirement today. Disgraceful.
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They a) wanted it to be about Bowden's accomplishments and b) didn't want to have to answer the inevitable question, why did this take so long?
 
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lawgator1 said:
They a) wanted it to be about Bowden's accomplishments and b) didn't want to have to answer the inevitable question, why did this take so long?
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Then they aren't fit for the jobs they hold. If you can't handle tough questions, go be the president and athletic director at Palm Beach Community College.
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hatvol96 said:
Then they aren't fit for the jobs they hold. If you can't handle tough questions, go be the president and athletic director at Palm Beach Community College.
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I've dealt with Wetherell before. He's simply old guard, 1980's FSU and Bowden football success, good old boy system, etc. Can't really comment on the AD.

Nonetheless, seems to me in principle the failure was that those boosters who wanted to maintain their loyalty were allowed to call the shots for too long. You can argue that's the admin's fault, and you'd be at least part right.

But in the end it was Bowden's own personal stubborness and refusal to realize how far the 'noles had truly fallen in the last decade that is why it ended in such balled up fashion.

If he or his supporters (and there aren't a lot of them left anymore) want to blame someone for this, they can get one of those reflective thingies for about $2.99 at Target, and then look at it. Start there.
 
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they showed their true idiotic colors when they suggested they would take more scholorship losses in the future if the ncaa agreed to not vacate some of bowden's wins. at some point for both bowden and the administration the all time win record became more important than the program.
 
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droski said:
they showed their true idiotic colors when they suggested they would take more scholorship losses in the future if the ncaa agreed to not vacate some of bowden's wins. at some point for both bowden and the administration the all time win record became more important than the program.
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Alert the media. We agree on something.
 
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sounds very familiar... I think Hambone did about as good a balancing act as possible, given the circumstances... a lot of people wanted Fulmer to go, and a lot of people (especially booster$) wanted him to stay... he was loyal to Fulmer, and he made the tough decision when he had to....

Nonetheless, seems to me in principle the failure was that those boosters who wanted to maintain their loyalty were allowed to call the shots for too long. You can argue that's the admin's fault, and you'd be at least part right.

But in the end it was Bowden's own personal stubborness and refusal to realize how far the 'noles had truly fallen in the last decade that is why it ended in such balled up fashion.

If he or his supporters (and there aren't a lot of them left anymore) want to blame someone for this, they can get one of those reflective thingies for about $2.99 at Target, and then look at it. Start there.
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hatvol96 said:
Then they aren't fit for the jobs they hold. If you can't handle tough questions, go be the president and athletic director at Palm Beach Community College.
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forget that. Those guys play big time, and I mean big time, baseball.
 
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hatvol96 said:
The idea that Mark Mangino, who has accomplished all that can be reasonably expected in Lawrence, may be fired because a few crybabies think he's too tough is sickening.
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Just goes to show that everybody overlooks being a jerk until the losses mount.
 
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GAVol said:
Just goes to show that everybody overlooks being a jerk until the losses mount.
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If they think the losses are "mounting" now, can't wait to see what they think in about 3 years. Also, I didn't realize holding players accountable for their own suckitude constituted being a jerk.
 
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The people saying Hamilton had a spine, that may be somewhat true. Getting Fulmer out was the right decision but the way he handled it was disgraceful. If we had waited until after the final game to announce it and let him coach the bowl if he wants that would have been understandable, but to fire a guy in the middle of a game week it beyond stupid. Had he waited until the end of the season, we would still have Lane Kiffin as out coach. He cost the university millions by causing them to miss a bowl. Fulmer was over the hill but you don't treat a guy who's bled orange all his life like that. If you think we wouldn't haved start looking at coaches until after Fulmer was fired then you would be wrong.
 
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