Spineless Athletic Directors.

#26
#26
GAVol said:
Just goes to show that everybody overlooks being a jerk until the losses mount.
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You'd think they'd have some recollection of what their program looked like pre-Mangino. This guy won 12 games and went to an Orange Bowl at Kansas....freaking Kansas.

I'm not crazy about Mangino, but I can recognize a job well done. If they fire him, they deserve another Bob Valesente.
 
#27
#27
Urinal Mint said:
The people saying Hamilton had a spine, that may be somewhat true. Getting Fulmer out was the right decision but the way he handled it was disgraceful. If we had waited until after the final game to announce it and let him coach the bowl if he wants that would have been understandable, but to fire a guy in the middle of a game week it beyond stupid. Had he waited until the end of the season, we would still have Lane Kiffin as out coach. He cost the university millions by causing them to miss a bowl. Fulmer was over the hill but you don't treat a guy who's bled orange all his life like that. If you think we wouldn't haved start looking at coaches until after Fulmer was fired then you would be wrong.
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You serious Clark?

Fulmer's termination didn't cost Tennessee a bowl game...Phil lost that football team well before his dismissal.

Hamilton's decision to pull the plug early didn't "cost the university millions." If anything, it salvaged some revenue. Tennessee wouldn't have had a sole in the stands for the Kentucky game if Phil's future was still uncertain. By making it his final game, UT was able to draw an almost respectable crowd.
 
#28
#28
Jaytrain5 said:
You'd think they'd have some recollection of what their program looked like pre-Mangino. This guy won 12 games and went to an Orange Bowl at Kansas....freaking Kansas.

I'm not crazy about Mangino, but I can recognize a job well done. If they fire him, they deserve another Bob Valesente.
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I'd prefer they hire Fulmer. That way, they'd be paying prime rib prices for salisbury steak. They'd be pining for Mangino in about a season and a half.
 
#30
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Urinal Mint said:
If we had waited until after the final game to announce it and let him coach the bowl if he wants that would have been understandable, but to fire a guy in the middle of a game week it beyond stupid.
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we needed to start the process early. Fulmer had an out, win vs SC but he couldn't and was let go on Sunday. That's not really the middle of game week

The millions we lost in a bowl that year is small to the amount he cost us as HC. Or maybe no bowl in 2005 was Hamilton's fault too?
 
#31
#31
The difference in the reference made to JoPa is that he has actually turned the ship around. Bowden did not. Having said that, he is the better option. Keep Bowden one more year, give Jimbo his money and walking papers, and spend the next 12 months lining up a real replacement.
 
#32
#32
Jaytrain5 said:
You serious Clark?
Fulmer's termination didn't cost Tennessee a bowl game...Phil lost that football team well before his .
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:lolabove:ARE YOU SERIOUS CLARK?
You think we still would have lost to Wyoming, if Fulmer hadn't been fired 4 days before a game was to be played? It's WYOMING! We would be still in the exact same situation we are now with the exact same staff except we would have made a bowl game and earned millions off of that. Doesnt matter how lost his team was, it was Wyoming, we talkin bout Wyoming.
 
#33
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Urinal Mint said:
:lolabove:ARE YOU SERIOUS CLARK?
You think we still would have lost to Wyoming, if Fulmer hadn't been fired 4 days before a game was to be played? It's WYOMING! We would be still in the exact same situation we are now with the exact same staff except we would have made a bowl game and earned millions off of that. Doesnt matter how lost his team was, it was Wyoming, we talkin bout Wyoming.
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Absolutely.

Either that, or Phil threw the game to spite his beloved University. Take your pick.
 
#34
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Urinal Mint said:
:lolabove:ARE YOU SERIOUS CLARK?
You think we still would have lost to Wyoming, if Fulmer hadn't been fired 4 days before a game was to be played? It's WYOMING! We would be still in the exact same situation we are now with the exact same staff except we would have made a bowl game and earned millions off of that. Doesnt matter how lost his team was, it was Wyoming, we talkin bout Wyoming.
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Why didn't Fulmer use his dismissal as a tool to pull "his" players together for a "we'll show them what they did by firing our coach" motivation? Hell they just had to beat the Cowpokes. Maybe Phil lost his edge and couldn't coach anymore. Oh, wait a minute.
 
#35
#35
His team weren't focused. They didn't even get on the practice field until Wednesday. I know two people to never listen to anything they have to say about football again.
 
#36
#36
Urinal Mint said:
His team weren't focused. They didn't even get on the practice field until Wednesday. I know two people to never listen to anything they have to say about football again.
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I know one person to never take seriously on any level based on the butchery of the written word.
 
#37
#37
Urinal Mint said:
His team weren't focused. They didn't even get on the practice field until Wednesday. I know two people to never listen to anything they have to say about football again.
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There are no distractions that can justify Tennessee losing to Wyoming in football. It should be a drubbing, whether UT has 7 days or 7 hours to prepare for the game.

It's absurd that you blame Hamilton for that debacle.
 
#38
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Urinal Mint said:
:lolabove:ARE YOU SERIOUS CLARK?
You think we still would have lost to Wyoming, if Fulmer hadn't been fired 4 days before a game was to be played? It's WYOMING! We would be still in the exact same situation we are now with the exact same staff except we would have made a bowl game and earned millions off of that. Doesnt matter how lost his team was, it was Wyoming, we talkin bout Wyoming.
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I don't think Nick Stephens threw the game because of Fulmer. In fact, it seemed like Nick didn't really even like Fulmer.

We lost that game because Stephens handed Wyoming two scores. Then, when it was decided he couldn't cut it, we asked possibly the most mindf-ed player in UT history to come in and lead the Vols back against what was actually a fairly decent defense.

And at any rate, we lost to freaking Memphis with Peyton Manning at QB and a team more talented than all the rosters from 2003-2009 combined. What distraction do you blame for that one?
 
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#39
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GVF said:
The difference in the reference made to JoPa is that he has actually turned the ship around. Bowden did not. Having said that, he is the better option. Keep Bowden one more year, give Jimbo his money and walking papers, and spend the next 12 months lining up a real replacement.
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I'm not sure how much JoePa had to do with that.
 
#40
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Urinal Mint said:
His team weren't focused. They didn't even get on the practice field until Wednesday. I know two people to never listen to anything they have to say about football again.
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Boo-frickin-hoo :cray:

As said above, they had no business losing to Wyoming, distraction or not. Phil should have used it as a rallying cry to get the team to stand behind him and finish out his UT career on a winning streak, not lose to freaking Wyoming. That loss only solidified Hamilton's decision imho.
 
#41
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HawaiiVol said:
Boo-frickin-hoo :cray:

As said above, they had no business losing to Wyoming, distraction or not. Phil should have used it as a rallying cry to get the team to stand behind him and finish out his UT career on a winning streak, not lose to freaking Wyoming. That loss only solidified Hamilton's decision imho.
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The original plan was to wait til the end of the season to announce the dismissal, but after the South Carolina embarrassment, something needed to be done to reassure the fanbase UT football wasn't lost forever.
 
#42
#42
kptvol said:
And at any rate, we lost to freaking Memphis with Peyton Manning at QB and a team more talented than all the rosters from 2003-2009 combined. What distraction do you blame for that one?
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This is relevant to the Wyoming game how? I guess I forgot Fulmers first firing. Jesus christ can someone ready a whole conversation I said a few posts ago Fulmer should be fired how in the hell does Memphis have anything to do with it. When you practice only two days and try and get you team to play after something as emotional as your coach being fired and are expected go out and win a ball game is something ridiculous to ask of your players. I dont care who you are playing. I'm guess you've never played much football in your lifetime because you know nothing about the dynamics of a football team.
 
#43
#43
kptvol said:
The original plan was to wait til the end of the season to announce the dismissal, but after the South Carolina embarrassment, something needed to be done to reassure the fanbase UT football wasn't lost forever.
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Source? It's amazing how much stuff is flat out made up on this forum.
 
#47
#47
Urinal Mint said:
This is relevant to the Wyoming game how? I guess I forgot Fulmers first firing. Jesus christ can someone ready a whole conversation I said a few posts ago Fulmer should be fired how in the hell does Memphis have anything to do with it. When you practice only two days and try and get you team to play after something as emotional as your coach being fired and are expected go out and win a ball game is something ridiculous to ask of your players. I dont care who you are playing. I'm guess you've never played much football in your lifetime because you know nothing about the dynamics of a football team.
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I know a team full of athletes capable of taking Bama to the wire a year later should be able to handle a bunch of Wyoming chumps bad enough to get their coach fired.

You acted like the only reason UT lost to Wyoming was the distraction. The Memphis team UT lost to in '96 was just as bad and the our team was much, much better. Thus, distractions are obviously not a necessity for Fulmer's teams to lose to awful competition. Was that really to tough for you to get?

By the way, what's your old screenname?
 
#48
#48
hatvol96 said:
If they think the losses are "mounting" now, can't wait to see what they think in about 3 years. Also, I didn't realize holding players accountable for their own suckitude constituted being a jerk.
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I think the Mangino situation is loosely like our deal with Johnny Majors. He's a guy everybody endures until there's a chance to not have to deal with him anymore.
 
#49
#49
Urinal Mint said:
Is it? Source. I just want one.
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Yeah, because if he found out I was posting his name on Volnation I'm sure he'd be thrilled to clue me in the next time he catches wind of something. I don't make a habit of just posting "inside" stuff on these forums to boost my e-cred. You can believe the handful of nuggets I've dropped over the last four years or you can disregard them.
 
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