Spotlight now on FSU. Might not be a good thing.

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lawgator1 said:
Wasn't aware that he had.
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IIRC, his lawyer did. First he said that Winston didn't even know her, and then when the DNA evidence came out, he changed that to the "prior relationship" bit.

Don't know if the lawyer was initially going with what he was told by Winston or if he just makes ish up as part of the job. :hi:
 
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Lexvol said:
I actually agree with LG…a little. I had this discussion on Saturday night with Beech and a UK fan. Florida State has been ballsy continuing to play Winston. If they don't have an ace in the hole related to the case, the blowback against FSU should be devastating. At the very least it feels like Jimbo has rolled the dice here.

If it is determined that that the state sat on the case, it will reflect poorly on the state of Florida as well.

On the other hand, innocent until proven guilty should also hold some meaning here.
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He may very well be guilty. And if he is he should serve the sentence to its fullest.

Sounds like some have him convicted already.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Even if they had a prior relationship, that would not prove that this encounter was consensual. Surely you realize that.

And I've been asking my FSU friends about that claim (that they had a prior relationship) since it has been awhile and I would have expected that proof to be out there. Turns out that's just someone trying to make the claim to defend Winston and there in fact is no proof of that.
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You know what...it's not that uncommon. Could just as easily happened at FL. Hell, it's happening at Vandy right now. I would be shocked if charges are ever brought. Just because someone accuses someone doesn't make it true, even if it's FSU. (Rhyme trademarked by the Cochran law firm)
 
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BeecherVol said:
If he's guilty and goes to jail will that satisfy you LG?
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Satisfy me? That's not the issue. If he did it and is convicted with due process then he should be punished. But it's not a question of it being satisfying to anyone.

The real problem I have is the claim by the victim that an FSU-friendly police department delayed and delayed and tried to talk her out of pursuing it.

There may be nothing to it. Since they now admit there was sex, I'm going to assume the key evidence is whether on physical exam she showed signs of physical force. If so, and that was known from the start, then one has to question why it took so long. If not, then I confess I don't get why it wouldn't already be resolved. Very strange situation.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Satisfy me? That's not the issue. If he did it and is convicted with due process then he should be punished. But it's not a question of it being satisfying to anyone.

The real problem I have is the claim by the victim that an FSU-friendly police department delayed and delayed and tried to talk her out of pursuing it.

There may be nothing to it. Since they now admit there was sex, I'm going to assume the key evidence is whether on physical exam she showed signs of physical force. If so, and that was known from the start, then one has to question why it took so long. If not, then I confess I don't get why it wouldn't already be resolved. Very strange situation.
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Considering the level of b!tching this thread has brought out it sounds like it does.

If he's guilty, he deserves what he gets. If he's not he has to spend the rest of his life with that attached to him.

If someone in the system has gone outside of their duty in trying to sweep this under the rug they should be prosecuted as well.

If it takes them a few weeks longer to get it right so be it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
We are already on the cusp if a bit of a backlash against football due to the concussion issue. Now, with FSU squarely in the big game, the pink elephant in the room is Winston. Charged or not there's going to be criticism over the claim of a cover up. If the victim goes fully public there's a potential here for the whole football players get coddled debate.

Imagine someone like Gloria Allred taking this on.

This might all fade away. But don't be surprised if this leads to a major discussion about the college football culture, favoritism, academics, etc.
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That's been discussed numerous times before. Nothing new there. Big time athletes get passes and will continue to get passes.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
That's been discussed numerous times before. Nothing new there. Big time athletes get passes and will continue to get passes.
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Yeah, but it's been awhile since we knew going into the championship game that the star player for the number one team was accused of a serious crime.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yeah, but it's been awhile since we knew going into the championship game that the star player for the number one team was accused of a serious crime.
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What will be interesting is if they make the BCS title game and something else comes out. Or if they win the BCS title game and something else comes out. I'd say some cops will be losing their jobs.
 
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