Starting lineup and rotation for next year

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LawVol13 said:
If you like McBee, that's fine, but to pretend like he's as good a defender as Golden, Tatum, etc. is just a joke. He's a pathetic on-ball defender.
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I like him if he's hitting shots and opening up the lane, but I don't like him when he's not hitting and starts freaking out. Too much of the latter last year. We'll disagree on the D. IMO, Golden didn't show much, and most freshmen are weakest on D when the go D1. Tatum may be able to cover that first step better by a longer player, but often just stands and watches when off the ball. He consistently lost his man last year and had shot after shot hit in his mug do to late or lazy closeouts on the shooter, including letting dude from GA dunk his own 3pt attempt while Cam is just watching him, which was nasty.
 
#52
#52
This team will have all the talent to lose every game next year. They will be lucky to have a win total that exceeds 10.
 
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Skylar cannot deal with screens. At all. He hustles, but he's slow and not agile. When he is able to keep his man in front of him, he is notorious for giving silly fouls. I will admit that I have seen him make GREAT defensive efforts and even a few great defensive plays, but Skylar is by far our worst defender. No joke, Summitt may be better. As everyone knows, he's sub-par on offense, but that is honestly the least of my worries. A defensive liability is more risky than a poor offensive game from a kid who handles the ball 10% of the time he's on the floor.
 
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#54
#54
Why does everyone seem to think Maymon will get much playing time? He was terrible last year. He was decent on the offensive boards but after he got the rebound he put up circus shots. I think Maymon only plays when the other bigs are in foul trouble.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Are you kidding? Are you implying that there is anyone worse than McBee at defense on our roster?
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No, I am not. I absolutely do. Jordan has a decent offensive game, but why do you think he couldn't get on the floor last year....defense. He consistently got lost and played out of position. And I will say with confidence he defended the 2 better than McRae or Scottie last year. Scottie's defensive effort, getting lost on screens, and standing around made me sick. I'd almost bet Skylar had more pass deflections and steals to playing time ratio than anyone at his position last year, and probably high for the whole team.

I am not saying Skylar is our best defender, but he was at the 2 last year. Maybe Richardson or Chievous is better, or maybe McRae improves enough to play over Skylar. Thats TBD.
 
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#57
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Skylar cannot deal with screens. At all. He hustles, but he's slow and not agile. When he is able to keep his man in front of him, he is notorious for giving silly fouls. I will admit that I have seen him make GREAT defensive efforts and even a few great defensive plays, but Skylar is by far our worst defender. No joke, Summitt may be better. As everyone knows, he's sub-par on offense, but that is honestly the least of my worries. A defensive liability is more risky than a poor offensive game from a kid who handles the ball 10% of the time he's on the floor.
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I played against both Summit and Skylar in high school. I assure you, there is no chance that Tyler is a better defender than Skylar. If he is, then his rate of improving is so exponential that by next year he will be a D1 starter, and the year after he will be an NBA lottery pick.
 
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pl3 said:
I like him if he's hitting shots and opening up the lane, but I don't like him when he's not hitting and starts freaking out. Too much of the latter last year. We'll disagree on the D. IMO, Golden didn't show much, and most freshmen are weakest on D when the go D1. Tatum may be able to cover that first step better by a longer player, but often just stands and watches when off the ball. He consistently lost his man last year and had shot after shot hit in his mug do to late or lazy closeouts on the shooter, including letting dude from GA dunk his own 3pt attempt while Cam is just watching him, which was nasty.
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I agree with most of your analysis. But, while Tatum and Golden had some missed assignments, they are both lightyears ahead of McBee with regard to defensive ability. They should both really improve in Coach Martin's system.
 
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Peyton Berry said:
No, I am not. I absolutely do. Jordan has a decent offensive game, but why do you think he couldn't get on the floor last year....defense. He consistently got lost and played out of position. And I will say with confidence he defended the 2 better than McRae or Scottie last year. Scottie's defensive effort, getting lost on screens, and standing around made me sick. I'd almost bet Skylar had more pass deflections and steals to playing time ratio than anyone at his position last year, and probably high for the whole team.

I am not saying Skylar is our best defender, but he was at the 2 last year. Maybe Richardson or Chievous is better, or maybe McRae improves enough to play over Skylar. Thats TBD.
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Because of Bruce's terrible lineups? Jordan wasn't even given a shot last year, similar case to a few of our other players.
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Here are the stats from 10-11. Now duke it out.

## SUMMARY GP-GS Min FG% 3PT% FT% R/G A/G STL BLK PTS/G
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32 Hopson, Scotty...... 32-32 29.3 .452 .376 .735 3.3 1.3 26 5 17.0
12 Harris, Tobias...... 34-33 29.2 .460 .303 .753 7.3 1.3 24 29 15.3
23 Tatum, Cameron...... 34-33 25.2 .375 .272 .667 3.1 2.3 30 12 8.8
02 Goins, Melvin....... 33-33 27.2 .376 .300 .779 3.1 2.8 57 2 7.9
33 Williams, Brian..... 32-15 23.0 .509 1.000 .513 7.4 1.4 18 22 6.8
24 Bone, Josh.......... 23-3 17.8 .386 .278 .833 1.8 0.7 13 0 3.2
11 Golden, Trae........ 31-1 13.3 .293 .182 .825 1.1 2.2 23 0 3.0
13 McBee, Skylar....... 31-0 12.6 .333 .324 .882 1.0 0.6 23 1 3.0
34 Maymon, Jeronne..... 14-0 9.1 .471 .000 .250 2.8 0.2 2 0 2.6
25 Fields, John........ 34-18 11.6 .587 .000 .464 3.0 0.2 10 41 2.6
20 Hall, Kenny......... 25-1 7.0 .528 .000 .571 1.8 0.1 1 4 2.0
22 Pearl, Steven....... 34-1 11.2 .547 .000 .429 1.6 0.7 21 4 1.9
01 McRae, Jordan....... 10-0 5.3 .316 .111 .455 0.8 0.0 2 4 1.8
00 Woolridge, Renaldo.. 8-0 9.0 .353 .000 .500 1.4 0.5 0 2 1.6
14 Summitt, Tyler...... 4-0 1.8 1.000 1.000 .000 0.3 0.0 0 0 0.8
10 Hubert, Michael..... 4-0 1.5 .000 .000 .500 0.0 0.0 0 0 0.3
TM TEAM................ 34-0 0.0 .000 .000 .000 3.4 0.0 0 0 0.0
Total............... 34 .431 .300 .684 37.6 13.0 250 126 69.9
Opponents........... 34 .418 .332 .705 33.9 12.2 228 140 67.5
 
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#63
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LawVol13 said:
If you like McBee, that's fine, but to pretend like he's as good a defender as Golden, Tatum, etc. is just a joke. He's a pathetic on-ball defender.
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Check out the steals numbers in the stats posted. McBee second on team in steals per minutes played to Goins. Hard to argue with that Law.
 
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TooLegit2Quit said:
Because of Bruce's terrible lineups? Jordan wasn't even given a shot last year, similar case to a few of our other players.
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I didn't agree with Bruce's rotations and/or minutes at times either, but what I've seen Jordan play and what I 've heard about him in practices (under Pearl) is that he needed much improvement defensively. From the stats posted, Jordan had a rougher time on offense than I remember him having also.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Peyton Berry said:
LawVol13 said:
One of these things is not like the others. And it's JAJuan, dammit.
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My bad on the name Chris. You need to check out the steals to mins played ratio too. McBee not as bad on D as you all think. Yeah he lacks some lateral quickness or ability as Law put it, but ability can only go so far towards being a good defender. If you don't have good instincts and smarts to go along with it, its just ability.
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Peyton Berry said:
Check out the steals numbers in the stats posted. McBee second on team in steals per minutes played to Goins. Hard to argue with that Law.
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Although McBee averaged a whopping 0.7 steals per game, I'm still going to have to say that he is the weakest of our perimeter defenders.
 
#67
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You have to take total minutes played divided by number of steals to get steals per minutes played, which is much more accurate stat due to him averaging 12 min/game vs 13 for Trae, 17 for Josh and 29 for Scottie. Scottie, for example averaged .8 steal a game but only a steal per 36 minutes played. Skylar had a steal per every 16.9 minutes played. On that average, if Skylar played as much as Scottie did he would have had around 1.6 or 1.7 steals per game.

I stand behind the fact he's not until proven otherwise.
 
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I don't personally believe steals are a very good guage of your defensive ability.

Steals are awarded to the person who the gains posession, often times the person that caused the deflection is not awarded with the steal-

Players often get beat off the dribble trying to go in for a steal-

Players that constantly try to pick pockets foul very often ( severe problem with McBee)-
 
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#71
Is McBee going to be 2nd in rotation for PG? I'm hoping either Washpun is better than some are expecting or that McBee has learned to play defense.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Is McBee going to be 2nd in rotation for PG? I'm hoping either Washpun is better than some are expecting or that McBee has learned to play defense.
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I don't want to come off as bashing McBee, but I don't think it's a good sign if he is still playing significant minutes for you guys next year. He's WAY too slow to guard high-major level PGs or SGs, and too little to guard anyone else on the floor. If he's seeing minutes for you guys, it's because there is no one else hitting outside shots and CCM is willing to accept McBee's liability on the defensive end in order to spread the floor on offense. That's a lesser of two evils kind of situation that CCM doesn't want to be in. Also, from the games I saw last season, McBee doesn't need to be running the point.

If CCM plans on playing any sort of zone defense, McBee may become a semi-viable option.
 
#73
#73
MemphisCanes said:
I don't want to come off as bashing McBee, but I don't think it's a good sign if he is still playing significant minutes for you guys next year. He's WAY too slow to guard high-major level PGs or SGs, and too little to guard anyone else on the floor. If he's seeing minutes for you guys, it's because there is no one else hitting outside shots and CCM is willing to accept McBee's liability on the defensive end in order to spread the floor on offense. That's a lesser of two evils kind of situation that CCM doesn't want to be in. Also, from the games I saw last season, McBee doesn't need to be running the point.

If CCM plans on playing any sort of zone defense, McBee may become a semi-viable option.
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Well I do want to bash McBee because he plays terrible defense. His minutes last year were vastly unwarranted, but I guess that's not his fault. My question is if he will be 2nd in rotation. Based off of what other people are saying, Washpun wouldn't be the better choice. I'm just hoping this isn't true.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Well I do want to bash McBee because he plays terrible defense. His minutes last year were vastly unwarranted, but I guess that's not his fault. My question is if he will be 2nd in rotation. Based off of what other people are saying, Washpun wouldn't be the better choice. I'm just hoping this isn't true.
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I agree. With Martin's emphasis on defense, I don't see McBee getting many minutes next season. Unfortunately, good effort doesn't equal good defense without the athletic ability to compete.
 
#75
#75
Can anyone speculate if Miller or Makanjuola will start next season? I'm wondering if we'll have one or two big men on the court. I guess you can't count Maymon out of the discussion either.
 
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