Steelers trade Santonio Holmes

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Sources: Pittsburgh Steelers trade Santonio Holmes to New York Jets for fifth-rounder - ESPN New York

Pittsburgh trades Holmes to the Jets for a 5th round pick. The trial stuff he had coming up in (I think it was) Miami must have been pretty serious or something else must be going on for the team to just out him like this so quickly

The Pittsburgh Steelers traded troubled wide receiver Santonio Holmes to the New York Jets for a fifth-round pick in this year's draft, sources confirmed Sunday night.

ESPN 1050 in New York first reported the story Sunday night. Holmes was contacted late Sunday and told that he was traded to the Jets, sources said.

Holmes had recently been accused of throwing a glass at a woman in a lounge. No charges have been filed against him, and Holmes' lawyer, Adam Swickle, told The Associated Press a male witness has taken responsibility for tossing the glass.

Holmes was entering his fifth season with the Steelers and has 235 catches for 3,835 yards and 20 touchdowns.

Holmes was cited for marijuana possession, a misdemeanor, in Pennsylvania in 2008. The Steelers made Holmes inactive for the game following the incident and he subsequently apologized.

He was arrested on a domestic violence charge in 2006 in Ohio, but that charge was later dropped.

As a player, though, Holmes has the talent to be a No. 1 receiver. He was MVP in Super Bowl XLIII.
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If Braylon Edwards develops as well, think how, well, crazy good the Jets will be this year

They and the Ravens -who also got really better in the offseason - have got to be near the teams to beat in the AFC this year
 
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Last week it was McNabb on Easter Sunday, now this on a Sunday.

What's next?
 
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miamicane said:
jets getting some nice weapons along with that defense..
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seriously; they didnt even really need to get LT and they'd still have been in similar great position

almost forgot they added cromartie too
 
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chavisut said:
Pats don't make the playoffs this year.
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If Welker ends up playing at all, I see no reason the Pats and Jets dont both make the playoffs

The risen competition level will hurt the mid-level teams the most obviously; and I'm really not sure about manning being able to carry the colts through the playoff gauntlet again if the Jets get that much better and the Boldin-to-the-Ravens trade turns out for the best
 
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Holmes took fall for bad behavior - AFC North Blog - ESPN

ESPN AFC blogger calling it due to someone needing to take the fall for the bad behavior:

The Pittsburgh Steelers have earned more negative press than any NFL team in recent weeks, and that didn't sit well with ownership or the team's front office.

Therefore, it was a matter of time before someone took the fall, and that player turned out to be receiver Santonio Holmes.

The Steelers traded the former Super Bowl MVP to the New York Jets for a fifth-round pick, according to ESPN.com's John Clayton. Yes, the Jets fleeced the Steelers by giving up a late-round pick for a very good receiver. But it's clear this move had more to do with off-the-field behavior than on-the-field performance for Pittsburgh.

Holmes was on track to become Pittsburgh's No. 1 receiver before recent incidents put him in the doghouse with the Steelers' brass. He was suspended by the team during the 2008 season for being caught with marijuana in his vehicle. Holmes also admitted to selling drugs as a youth before Super Bowl XLIII, in addition to facing recent allegations from a woman who claimed a drink was thrown at her.

Add in the recent legal troubles with quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, and the Steelers felt something had to be done to begin restoring their public image.

In the end, it's much easier for Pittsburgh to trade a receiver than a $100 million franchise quarterback.
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TrueOrange said:
If Welker ends up playing at all, I see no reason the Pats and Jets dont both make the playoffs

The risen competition level will hurt the mid-level teams the most obviously; and I'm really not sure about manning being able to carry the colts through the playoff gauntlet again if the Jets get that much better and the Boldin-to-the-Ravens trade turns out for the best
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Most people on this board didn't believe they'd make it through it this year. IIRC, you were one of them :)

Colts will be better next year.
 
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chavisut said:
Most people on this board didn't believe they'd make it through it this year. IIRC, you were one of them :)

Colts will be better next year.
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I was saying dont book on a return super bowl trip I thought didnt I?

I think I was just pointing out that trend that you lose the super bowl, you usually dont make the playoffs and if you do you definitely dont win the super bowl; but I dont think I said they definitely dont make the playoffs

It's just the stress of working back through all that after losing it; they're still the favs and picks to win the division, no doubt. I dont know, with how this league and its trends towards parity works, how the season will turn out for them though (other than with the upcoming lockout in 2011, noone will win after this year)

That said, I know they've lost some on the defensive side; and they'd better improve, if manning has to carry them on the offensive side of the ball again like last year, I can see them still making the playoffs yes, but I cant see them making it to the super bowl again
 
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robvols said:
What is next to happen, True, in an already wild offseason?
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Well there was already talk about the skins shopping haynesworth a week ago or so, so that remains a possibility

The holmes trade should kill any ideas or rumors that the Rothlisberger might leave.

This is tough because it's so scattered and the uncapped season and -possibly more important - the appears to be upcoming lockout;

though I feel like there's one I really know/felt confident about, but I'm not sure who or where it was. it's there but I can't quite put my finger on it

honestly too I might have lost it when I shifted perspective to the draft, which is coming up in less than 2 weeks (I do expect though, with it being 3 days now, expect to see a bunch more trades there of at least draft picks)
 
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So the steeler's starting WR corp is now what? Ward, Mike Wallace and either Sweed or Randle-El?
 
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banman360 said:
not to mention rashard is there only RB now right?

no more willie parker
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mendenhall and Moore actually; they were expecting Willie Parker's contract not to be renewed b/c he really hasn't been too good the last two years

Their bigger issue was more that they had troubles getting the running game going last season. If Wallace doesn't up his game, the passing game's going to take a hit and they're going to need the running game to be better; if it can't improve, that's going to be a big hurt to them

now if Wallace does turn out to really be an up and coming star (I think he has speed but he has had drops that remind me of Nate Washington's play up in PIT) then it could be a moot point; but they will need one or the other
 
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wow! unbelieveable...this dude is gooooood.
i mean....a 5th round pick????? so, holmes braylon, keller, LT, defense, #1cb in nfl....
if sanchez plays decent, the jets are the team to beat in that div.

gooo TITANS!!! why cant we make sun friggin exciting moves...lol
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Tennakey said:
wow! unbelieveable...this dude is gooooood.
i mean....a 5th round pick????? so, holmes braylon, keller, LT, defense, #1cb in nfl....
if sanchez plays decent, the jets are the team to beat in that div.

gooo TITANS!!! why cant we make sun friggin exciting moves...lol
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don't forget that along with Revis they had traded with the Chargers for Cromartie from the Chargers



I think the low pick is mainly that the Steelers were trying to clean house to save face from the troubles he and Roth went through in the last month; and when the other teams know you're trying to dump a player -either for conduct or contract reasons or w/e - the offering price really becomes lower. So that's what you see there


The titans aren't going to trade for a player with off field conduct issues, especially after the Pacman stuff was still less than 3 or 4 seasons ago. Also you have to realize that it's the way they work. But just because you're not signing big name players doesnt mean you're not going to be successful/ not going to have a good team. The titans do more of getting guys who fit their system and drafting the better players that maybe no one has ever heard of (you were one of those guys who was upset initially that they drafted that unknown back from East Carolina Chris Johnson, weren't you lol)
 
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TrueOrange said:
Well there was already talk about the skins shopping haynesworth a week ago or so, so that remains a possibility

The holmes trade should kill any ideas or rumors that the Rothlisberger might leave.

This is tough because it's so scattered and the uncapped season and -possibly more important - the appears to be upcoming lockout;

though I feel like there's one I really know/felt confident about, but I'm not sure who or where it was. it's there but I can't quite put my finger on it

honestly too I might have lost it when I shifted perspective to the draft, which is coming up in less than 2 weeks (I do expect though, with it being 3 days now, expect to see a bunch more trades there of at least draft picks)
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He peed off Shanahan and expressed how he may not fit their defensive scheme that there were talks of him going to the Titans. Fisher had to shoot that down of that possibility of a return. I say it is 50-50.

I have seen LaRon Landry's name pop up as well as rumor has it the Skins are looking at safety Eric Berry as their #1 draft pick.
 
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robvols said:
He peed off Shanahan and expressed how he may not fit their defensive scheme that there were talks of him going to the Titans. Fisher had to shoot that down of that possibility of a return. I say it is 50-50.

I have seen LaRon Landry's name pop up as well as rumor has it the Skins are looking at safety Eric Berry as their #1 draft pick.
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yeah the titans have the least to lose as they could give away a 3rd round pick for him and still have a 3rd that they got as compensation for his leaving; still there's though that the skins wont give up on him after just one season

I really haven't seen a reliable LaRon Landry rumor other than people on here saying trading him to allow Berry to be drafted by the skins (though I will say getting rid of landry could very well help them)
 
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TrueOrange said:
I think the low pick is mainly that the Steelers were trying to clean house to save face from the troubles he and Roth went through in the last month; and when the other teams know you're trying to dump a player -either for conduct or contract reasons or w/e - the offering price really becomes lower. So that's what you see there)
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Maybe the fact Homes is in the last year of his contract and wasn't going to be in Pittsburgh after this season anyway and add the rumor that he's looking at a 4 game suspension for substance abuse might have played a role in all of this.

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The titans aren't going to trade for a player with off field conduct issues, especially after the Pacman stuff was still less than 3 or 4 seasons ago.
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Yeah, Fisher and Bud really laid the law down with PacMan. Please, stop it with this stuff.
 
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dobre_shunka said:
Maybe the fact Homes is in the last year of his contract and wasn't going to be in Pittsburgh after this season anyway and add the rumor that he's looking at a 4 game suspension for substance abuse might have played a role in all of this.
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The news about the failed substance/drug test and the 4 game suspension game out this morning, so yes I would say that's what put it over the edge, combined with his past history of incidents.

He however wasn't getting dealt because he only had one more year left on his contract. That Super Bowl catch alone as well as his production that year was going to get him at least another year extension (unless he fell flat on his face and had a terrible season this year), everyone's been saying that this morning.

He wasn't traded b/c his contract was up, he was traded for the off the field incidents....and some of that is saving face with goodell b/c of everything that's been happening, which I will get into with the next post

That all said, when a team knows you're trying to get rid of a guy due to problems, contract disputes, or some sort of issue that's not going to simply be negotiated, what they offer in return goes down, because they realize the other team's desperation to deal.
 
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The Steelers have know for quite sometime they were not going to be able to afford to keep him after this season and that's why they drafted Sweed and Wallace, signed Battle and Randle El, and had visits with about 5 prospective WR's draft picks. And the rumors regarding the failed drug test have been out there since last week.
 
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TrueOrange said:
I was saying dont book on a return super bowl trip I thought didnt I?

I think I was just pointing out that trend that you lose the super bowl, you usually dont make the playoffs and if you do you definitely dont win the super bowl; but I dont think I said they definitely dont make the playoffs

It's just the stress of working back through all that after losing it; they're still the favs and picks to win the division, no doubt. I dont know, with how this league and its trends towards parity works, how the season will turn out for them though (other than with the upcoming lockout in 2011, noone will win after this year)

That said, I know they've lost some on the defensive side; and they'd better improve, if manning has to carry them on the offensive side of the ball again like last year, I can see them still making the playoffs yes, but I cant see them making it to the super bowl again
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I was talking about last year's playoffs, I should have been more clear. I was only joking about how most on here didn't think the Colts would even make the SB this past season.

Who have they lost on the defensive side besides Marlin Jackson, who was out last year anyways. Offense will be better. Defense should be improved. This team was very young at WR and DB last year.
 
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