Steelers trade Santonio Holmes

[TrueOrange]

Yeah, Fisher and Bud really laid the law down with PacMan. Please, stop it with this stuff.

Ok, what? I didn't say anything along those lines at all. Did I say Fisher disciplines, no. I don't think I praised him or Bud or Reinfeldt the slightest at all in what I said. Might I ask what were you reading?

I said what happens now with that team is that they're very cautious of any player that his any off the field incidents and character issues. If they find a player has troubles off the field, they don't go after him. And they have decent reasoning

As I'm sure you are aware, Goodell's the disciplining authority; he goes after the players who misrepresent the league off the field and suspends or fines them depending on what he feels is proper.

However he also tells the owners and Front Offices each year that if it becomes a recurring issue on any team that players are having troubles, he will penalize/punish the team in turn as well. This hasn't happened yet, but since he keeps telling it to them, no team in the league wants to be the first to find out how much it takes or what he will do.

That's why you're seeing players cut or traded due to off the field incidents so much now. In the 90s or early 00s, during Taglibue's reign as commish, Randy Moss got in trouble for pot and nothing much came of it. Now he would be fined or penalized. Ray Lewis wasn't suspended for his incident, nor that player who hit the Oakland fan in like 01 or 02. Now both probably would be.

None of these teams want to be the first to find out what happens. That's why you're seeing these cases of the Steelers getting rid of Holmes; why the Bears ditched Tank Johnson; why SD got rid of cromartie and Cleveland so quickly getting rid of Edwards; the Titans avoiding getting anyone at all who has past off the field issues (especially since they had the player punished the worst so far in Goodell's tenure).

It's detrimental to have those players on the team, and no one wants to be that team to find out what goodell's threshold for loss of control is nor what his punishment will be.

That's what I was getting at. I never said anything about the Titans handling pacman or whatever. They just avoid players with off the field stuff since they had the worst incident.

So that was what I meant. If the case was just you misunderstood me, I hope that clears that up. If it's otherwise, then I just have to say I'm sorry and what's your deal?

 

[TrueOrange]

The Steelers have know for quite sometime they were not going to be able to afford to keep him after this season and that's why they drafted Sweed and Wallace, signed Battle and Randle El, and had visits with about 5 prospective WR's draft picks. And the rumors regarding the failed drug test have been out there since last week.

I can only access ESPN's news on him as I dont live in Pitt and I can't access their news or rumors. So I didnt know about the failed drug test until ESPN reported it.

As for the signings, I am aware they made the position deeper. I am telling you though what ESPN said on the issue. The analysts have all been saying that if not for this, holmes would have gotten still at least a 1-2 year extension and still been in Pitt (barring an epic collapse) for that super bowl catch alone. He would have still been there, and if he showed anything like his stats that super bowl year and kept developing, all the word is that he would still have been there as 2nd or at worst 3rd WR

 

[TrueOrange]

I was talking about last year's playoffs, I should have been more clear. I was only joking about how most on here didn't think the Colts would even make the SB this past season.

Who have they lost on the defensive side besides Marlin Jackson, who was out last year anyways. Offense will be better. Defense should be improved. This team was very young at WR and DB last year.

I could have sworn they lost someone else on the defensive side of the ball too.

If the running game develops the offense will get better. Their Run D really needs to improve as well. I understand they were young at DB but pass D was what they did well, stopping the run was their problem.

The defense just needs to get better and they need to not have the whole game placed solely on manning's shoulders like it was this last year. I'm not sure they will be able to weather a gelled Jets team or possibly Ravens team if it's like that again.

It just looks too similar to those old seasons where it was all manning and they had no defense and that cost them in the playoffs.


I think I had them going pretty far in last year's playoffs lol. My only issue is it's really difficult for the SB loser to repeat the year after.

 

[ttrogvol]

I always thought Holmes would take over for Ward as the next great Steelers WR. What a shame. Hopefully Wallace can prove to be more than just a deep threat.
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