Still waiting for obama's proof of the millions of americans who lost their home. . .

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droski

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because of no fault of their own. From today's WSJ:

Faces of the Home-Foreclosure Crisis - WSJ.com

According to the Federal Reserve, Americans withdrew more than $1.1 trillion of equity from homes in 2006 and 2007.

When Ghislaine Apollon emigrated from Haiti to the U.S. in 1974, she dreamed of owning a home. In 1997, after years of scraping by, she bought a fixer-upper in the Queens section of New York City.

Her original $147,000 mortgage was affordable on her income of about $1,600 a month from working in a hospital linen department, she said. Ms. Apollon then made some costly choices. First, she refinanced several times and took out large amounts of cash, pushing her loan balance to nearly $400,000.

the last time she refinanced she ended up with an option adjustable-rate mortgage, which lets borrowers select from different payment choices. Ms. Apollon, like many borrowers, opted to pay the minimum, which adds to the balance.

Realizing she would have to pay much more than that a month to start reducing her loan balance, Ms. Apollon sought a loan modification. She is being helped by Neighborhood Housing Services of Jamaica, a nonprofit.She wants a plain fixed-rate mortgage that doesn't grow.

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Mr. Banner bought his house 22 years ago for $296,000. By 2007, the house was valued at $429,000. Like many other homeowners at the time, Mr. Banner tapped the equity in his home by taking out a $250,000 loan. He used the money to try to keep his business afloat as the real-estate market unraveled.

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A decade ago, she and her husband paid nearly $180,000 for a three-bedroom home in Dallas, N.C., outside Charlotte. Their income easily covered the $1,100 monthly mortgage payment.

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A decade ago, she and her husband paid nearly $180,000 for a three-bedroom home in Dallas, N.C., outside Charlotte. Their income easily covered the $1,100 monthly mortgage payment.

In 2006, after discovering the house's value had skyrocketed by $100,000, the couple took out a second mortgage and got cash. They bought a $70,000 camper, took a cruise to Alaska and vacationed in Belize.

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When Chris Hanson bought his $875,000 luxury condominium in Scottsdale, Ariz., four years ago, he could afford the $90,000 down payment.

He said he had no difficulty paying the $5,000 monthly mortgage on the three-bedroom unit, which has floor-to-ceiling windows and views of Camelback Mountain. The condo is in a gated complex with a gym and pool.

And, true to his word, he didn't miss a single payment—until last month. Concluding that the home, now worth about half of what he paid, won't recover its value for at least 10 years, Mr. Hanson decided to walk away.

"It's a no-brainer once you do the math," said the 27-year-old real-estate investor.
 
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I think you are missing the bigger picture. No one is saying its "no fault of their own."

The reality is that a lot of people bought more house than they can possibly afford. They will default.

The question is whether you want a hard landing or a soft one?
 
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I think you are missing the bigger picture. No one is saying its "no fault of their own."

ummm obama's repeatably said that his housing bill is going to help the millions of americans who are losing their homes thru no fault of their own.
 
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its their own fault as well as the fault of ole Fannie/Freddie, and don't forget Barney Frank. that guy is a complete ass clown
 
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ummm obama's repeatably said that his housing bill is going to help the millions of americans who are losing their homes thru no fault of their own.


Googled a search for that and only person quoting Obama using that phrase appears to be you.
 
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Obama Wants to Jump in on the Real Estate Crisis. Which Way should He Jump? | San Francisco real estate insight, statistics, gossip, and news with a twist and some flavor - theFrontSteps

Sunday’s Chron outlines the issues Obama will draw from in taking action:

“Unlike his opponent, Sen. John McCain, he did not urge the government to buy up bad home loans and reduce them to the homes’ new values, putting taxpayers on the hook for the difference. But some of Obama’s proposed $10 billion fund would help homeowners who are facing foreclosure ‘through no fault of their own’ by letting them refinance mortgages through the Federal Housing Administration, Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac.
 
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Obama Administration Doing A "Heckuva Job" On Foreclosure Crisis - TalkLeft: The Politics Of Crime

Obama direct quote:

The biggest challenge is how do you make sure that you are helping those who really deserve help and if they get some temporary help can get back on their feet, make their payments and move forward and stay in their home, versus either people who are speculators, own second homes that they really couldn’t afford because they’d gotten a subprime loan, and people who through no fault of their own just can’t afford their house anymore because of the change in housing values or their incomes don’t support it.And we’re always trying to find that sweet spot to use as much of the money that we have available to us to help those who can be helped, without wasting that money on folks who don’t deserve help. And that’s a tough balance to strike.
 
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Well droski, obviously refing and using ARMs isn't the fault of the borrower.....how dare you suggest otherwise.
 
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that's the part of his statement i find laughable. they can't afford it "because of the change in housing values?" whaaa? how is that even remotely relavant? if you bought the house and could afford it when you bought it then why are you losing your home if it goes down in value?
 
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that's the part of his statement i find laughable. they can't afford it "because of the change in housing values?" whaaa? how is that even remotely relavant? if you bought the house and could afford it when you bought it then why are you losing your home if it goes down in value?

Eh, the only way I can think of is if you had an ARM and had been refining over and over based on appreciation and then the drop in value didn't allow for another refi. AKA - the way the entire industry was set-up failed.

That said, there is still not excuse that it wasn't the homeowners fault.
 
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I read a news article that said almost half of the people who applied for obama's loan plan had dropped out.

the fact is the dems forced banks and loaning institutions to give loans to people who couldn't afford one. over time this came back and bit us all. Dems believed it a right to own a home, which it is not.
 
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Funny how LG has run away from this thread since Droski started posting Obama's quotes that LG wasn't able to find.
 
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It's pretty simple:

Buyer buys property. Puts 20% down, gets a fixed rate loan. Recession hits, borrower loses job or has decreased wages, can't sell home because value has dropped. He/She has lost the 20% in equity. I'm not saying Obama's plan is right - -I'm just saying, plenty of people did the right thing when they bought and get screwed.
 
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I think you are missing the bigger picture. No one is saying its "no fault of their own."

The reality is that a lot of people bought more house than they can possibly afford. They will default.

The question is whether you want a hard landing or a soft one?

I'll take the hard landing. It's about time that these idiots pay for their stupid decisions rather than the rest of us bailing them out.
 
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Obama Administration Doing A "Heckuva Job" On Foreclosure Crisis - TalkLeft: The Politics Of Crime

Obama direct quote:

...and people who through no fault of their own just can’t afford their house anymore because of the change in housing values or their incomes don’t support it.

I'm trying to wrap my mind around this statement. How in the hell does the decrease in housing values affect anyone's ability to pay their mortgage?

Answer: It doesn't.

How is someone's change in income my problem?

Answer: It isn't.
 
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It's pretty simple:

Buyer buys property. Puts 20% down, gets a fixed rate loan. Recession hits, borrower loses job or has decreased wages, can't sell home because value has dropped. He/She has lost the 20% in equity. I'm not saying Obama's plan is right - -I'm just saying, plenty of people did the right thing when they bought and get screwed.

they aren't losing the house because the market dropped. they are losing it because they can't afford it anymore.
 
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that's the part of his statement i find laughable. they can't afford it "because of the change in housing values?" whaaa? how is that even remotely relavant? if you bought the house and could afford it when you bought it then why are you losing your home if it goes down in value?

Precisely.
 
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...NOT our problem. They can sell the home and then rent.

i actually agree it becomes our problem because it effects my housing value. i just can't stand obama and others implying that the housing crash got caused by all the greedy bankers while all the people losing their homes were innocent bystanders.
 
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i actually agree it becomes our problem because it effects my housing value. i just can't stand obama and others implying that the housing crash got caused by all the greedy bankers while all the people losing their homes were innocent bystanders.

This is the problem. Your house was never really worth that figure that you have stuck in your mind. That was a fantasyland value resulting from the market bubble. If the government would quit trying to manipulate the free market, then these people would default, we could clear this backlog of foreclosures through the system over the next few years, and then houses would be appropriately priced by the market. The government's intervention is slowing the natural correction of housing prices, and it is doomed to fail anyway.
 
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i don't actually own a home and i agree with you in principle, but the effect of housing prices on the economy cannot be underestimated. a further 20% drop (as an example) could easily send us into a real great depression. i'm not sure houses would be appropriately priced if we took out all govt intervention. flooding a bunch of supply on the market would surely put prices below fair value.
 

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