Still waiting for obama's proof of the millions of americans who lost their home. . .

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#26
i don't actually own a home and i agree with you in principle, but the effect of housing prices on the economy cannot be underestimated. a further 20% drop (as an example) could easily send us into a real great depression. i'm not sure houses would be appropriately priced if we took out all govt intervention. flooding a bunch of supply on the market would surely put prices below fair value.

Fair value is what someone is willing to pay for it. An excess of supply will by definition result in a sharp decrease in prices. I know that you know this already, but there is no way to stop this. It WILL happen. It's just a matter of whether it happens quickly (no intervention) or slowly (government intervention).
 
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I think that we're looking at another 10% to 20% drop, and I think we're looking at a double dip recession (and possible depression).
 
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I think that we're looking at another 10% to 20% drop, and I think we're looking at a double dip recession (and possible depression).

i wouldn't bet against it. housing prices are still dropping slowly and that's with the mortgage rate under 5%. hard to imagine what would happen if hte fed can't keep it low.
 
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i wouldn't bet against it. housing prices are still dropping slowly and that's with the mortgage rate under 5%. hard to imagine what would happen if hte fed can't keep it low.

So you're out of the market too? How do you feel about your tax dollars going to pay for some deadbeat to stay in a home that he never should have bought in the first place? That home doesn't get foreclosed upon (like it should), so housing prices stay overinflated and you have to overpay for a house if you choose to buy.
 
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So you're out of the market too? How do you feel about your tax dollars going to pay for some deadbeat to stay in a home that he never should have bought in the first place? That home doesn't get foreclosed upon (like it should), so housing prices stay overinflated.

i don't like it at all. personally i think the money should be spent to further reduce rates for new home buyers.
 
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When Chris Hanson bought his $875,000 luxury condominium in Scottsdale, Ariz., four years ago, he could afford the $90,000 down payment.

He said he had no difficulty paying the $5,000 monthly mortgage on the three-bedroom unit, which has floor-to-ceiling windows and views of Camelback Mountain. The condo is in a gated complex with a gym and pool.

And, true to his word, he didn't miss a single payment—until last month. Concluding that the home, now worth about half of what he paid, won't recover its value for at least 10 years, Mr. Hanson decided to walk away.

"It's a no-brainer once you do the math," said the 27-year-old real-estate investor.
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Do it for them. Do it for people who are really scared right now through no fault of their own, who've played by the rules, who've done all the right things, and have suddenly found out that because of an accident, because of an ailment, they're about to lose their house;

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/20/health/policy/20text-obama.html


Do IT for them, in context, is not even about housing. He's talking about the health care bill.

Fail.



These are comments by someone else, not Obama. Some law firm blogger.

Fail.


Obama Wants to Jump in on the Real Estate Crisis. Which Way should He Jump? | San Francisco real estate insight, statistics, gossip, and news with a twist and some flavor - theFrontSteps

Sunday’s Chron outlines the issues Obama will draw from in taking action:

“Unlike his opponent, Sen. John McCain, he did not urge the government to buy up bad home loans and reduce them to the homes’ new values, putting taxpayers on the hook for the difference. But some of Obama’s proposed $10 billion fund would help homeowners who are facing foreclosure ‘through no fault of their own’ by letting them refinance mortgages through the Federal Housing Administration, Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac.


The phrase "no fault of their own" as quoted here is quoting a another columnist. Not Obama.

Fail.

Obama Administration Doing A "Heckuva Job" On Foreclosure Crisis - TalkLeft: The Politics Of Crime

Obama direct quote:

The biggest challenge is how do you make sure that you are helping those who really deserve help and if they get some temporary help can get back on their feet, make their payments and move forward and stay in their home, versus either people who are speculators, own second homes that they really couldn’t afford because they’d gotten a subprime loan, and people who through no fault of their own just can’t afford their house anymore because of the change in housing values or their incomes don’t support it.And we’re always trying to find that sweet spot to use as much of the money that we have available to us to help those who can be helped, without wasting that money on folks who don’t deserve help. And that’s a tough balance to strike.


As close as you come, but you have to put it in context. He's saying people have lost their jobs and can't afford the payments, not that they took on more house initially than they could afford.

He goes on to say that its a tough balancing act between helping those who deserve it versus those who just don't want to pay, or never could.

I am not going to just say "fail" here, because it is a quote from him. But in context, it is not saying what you purport he said. In substance, complete fail.



Funny how LG has run away from this thread since Droski started posting Obama's quotes that LG wasn't able to find.

Sorry, was busy with something.

Still waiting for this glib remark which, in context, supports droski's implication that people bought too much house they could never afford (and maybe did not plan to) and that we are going to soak the rich to take care of the bill.



The problem with all of this, of course, and apart from the suffering of any given individual family, is that doing nothing exacerbates the housing crisis and puts more loss on the banks.

You don't think we end up paying for that some other way, anyway?

If so, you are deluding yourselves.
 
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Do IT for them, in context, is not even about housing. He's talking about the health care bill.

Fail.

who cares if it's about healthcare. the message remains and is something he has said over and over and over. i.e people are losing their homes because of evil corporate greed, not their own stupidity/greed.


These are comments by someone else, not Obama. Some law firm blogger.

Fail.

they are quoting obama


The phrase "no fault of their own" as quoted here is quoting a another columnist. Not Obama.

Fail.

once again they are quoting obama

As close as you come, but you have to put it in context. He's saying people have lost their jobs and can't afford the payments, not that they took on more house initially than they could afford.

He goes on to say that its a tough balancing act between helping those who deserve it versus those who just don't want to pay, or never could.

I am not going to just say "fail" here, because it is a quote from him. But in context, it is not saying what you purport he said. In substance, complete fail.

the implication once again is that most of the people losing their homes are losing them because of things out of their control and that's complete and utter bs.

Sorry, was busy with something.

Still waiting for this glib remark which, in context, supports droski's implication that people bought too much house they could never afford (and maybe did not plan to) and that we are going to soak the rich to take care of the bill.

what? my implication is obama is blaming everyone but the homeowner for them losing their house. i.e. these millions of americans losing their home because of no fault of their own

in bold
 
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I personally love how when the housing market is being driven up to astronomical levels by these dimwits, then their house is an investment that they crack open like a giant piggybank by taking out a second mortgage to withdraw cash. However, when the value of that investment goes down and/or they lose their job, that is not their fault and the taxpayers should pay for their stupid investment decision so that they don't suffer any loss.

Newsflash: The Taxpayers are not responsible for covering you on your stupid decisions, and there is no constitutional right to own a home!
 
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I personally love how when the housing market is being driven up to astronomical levels by these dimwits, then their house is an investment that they crack open like a giant piggybank by taking out a second mortgage to withdraw cash. However, when the value of that investment goes down and/or they lose their job, that is not their fault and the taxpayers should pay for their stupid investment decision so that they don't suffer any loss.

Newsflash: The Taxpayers are not responsible for covering you on your stupid decisions, and there is no constitutional right to own a home!

I like you! :good!:
 
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I personally love how when the housing market is being driven up to astronomical levels by these dimwits, then their house is an investment that they crack open like a giant piggybank by taking out a second mortgage to withdraw cash. However, when the value of that investment goes down and/or they lose their job, that is not their fault and the taxpayers should pay for their stupid investment decision so that they don't suffer any loss.

Newsflash: The Taxpayers are not responsible for covering you on your stupid decisions, and there is no constitutional right to own a home!

This 100% percent.
 
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I read a news article that said almost half of the people who applied for obama's loan plan had dropped out.

the fact is the dems forced banks and loaning institutions to give loans to people who couldn't afford one. over time this came back and bit us all. Dems believed it a right to own a home, which it is not.

No. Most of these folks couldn't manage the documentation an B couldn't make even the modified payments consistently.

Bankers who invented products that allowed customers to finance insane amounts of money were greedy predators preying on greedy sheep, simple as that. And by the time anyone realized, the greedy gods of Wall Street were gobbling them up.

Now it's it time to teach the sheep not to be so greedy and to keep the sharks as far away from the mortgage business.
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No. Most of these folks couldn't manage the documentation an B couldn't make even the modified payments consistently.

Bankers who invented products that allowed customers to finance insane amounts of money were greedy predators preying on greedy sheep, simple as that. And by the time anyone realized, the greedy gods of Wall Street were gobbling them up.

Now it's it time to teach the sheep not to be so greedy and to keep the sharks as far away from the mortgage business.
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Sheep and sharks? You need to work on your metaphors.
 
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No. Most of these folks couldn't manage the documentation an B couldn't make even the modified payments consistently.

Bankers who invented products that allowed customers to finance insane amounts of money were greedy predators preying on greedy sheep, simple as that. And by the time anyone realized, the greedy gods of Wall Street were gobbling them up.

Now it's it time to teach the sheep not to be so greedy and to keep the sharks as far away from the mortgage business.
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Ummm who was it that signed that dotted line? The banker or the borrower?
 
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#46
If you put a steak out, can you blame the lion for eating it?:)

When I signed my first mortgage 1.5 years ago, I accepted any and all responsibility to pay it. I guess its not fair that people like me are responsible, while others aren't and make us bail them out for buying too much house. I wish debtors prison still existed.
 
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When I signed my first mortgage 1.5 years ago, I accepted any and all responsibility to pay it. I guess its not fair that people like me are responsible, while others aren't and make us bail them out for buying too much house. I wish debtors prison still existed.

I think I heard E. Scrooge say that the other night. Let's decrease that surplus population.:clapping:
 

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