Stop with the "we always find a way" nonsense

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#103
Am I missing something here??? Or is it because its 11:44 Pacific time. And I should be asleep??? Gotta get home to Tennessee I guess.
 
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Everyone take a deep breath... step away from your computer. Butch and company have a Big Orange Storm Brewing with a large can of Whip #$$. The gayterds have their day coming ...because Team 118 is going to give it to them. All they can do is talk trash because they know it is gonna be bad. Gator tail will be on sale Saturday afternoon at neyland cheap.
 
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I wouldn't call LawGator a vistor especially since he has been around longer than you and I both.

Unitl law loses the 'gator' in his moniker and adds 'vol' he is a visitor.

FTR, I don't disagree with what he said, just how he said it. I think the gators have had way more talent than the Vols for since the early 2000s, but especially during the 9-game winning streak. There is no doubt about that to me. I also believe the gators were way more talented than the vols last season at the time we played. They had an extraordinary amount of injuries last season, starting with Driskell in our game. But their defense was gutted as the season wore on so that it was pretty much a shell of what it was when the season started. So that 4-8 finish is very misleading. I do think the talent level is much closer this season than what it was at the time we played last season, but the gators still have more talent all around, but the gap is much narrower than it has been at any time in the last decade. This is a game we win if we are on the + side of the TOs and win the battle for field position.
 
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#109
#109
Some people can't distinguish between what was on paper and how a game was played.

Always suspect of opposing fans that spend so much time on others' forums.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No. Florida has been the better team. Its not like UT was lighting it on fire in all their match-ups EXCEPT for UF. Fact is, Florida has been the batter team. Why is it so hard to just give the Gators credit during that period?

Like I say, I think you win this weekend. But that's because you have the better team, not because of some mystical pixie dust we always find a way to blow it excuse.
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Law, you have been here long enough to know that facts never get in the way of a........................... well a lot of b.s. I hate the fact that we lost to you guys as much as anyone, and I pray this is the year that ends.

Brings back memories of 1995 at Alabama.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I keep reading posts that during the streak UT always found way to lose to UF. That's nonsense and underestimates the gap between the programs during that timeframe. The reality is that Florida over the past decade has had the better team (at least at the time the two teams met).

I think you have the better team and end the streak this weekend. But quit pretending like Florida just got lucky during the last ten years.
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Florida did get lucky a few times. Go get your jorts ready for the game.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I keep reading posts that during the streak UT always found way to lose to UF. That's nonsense and underestimates the gap between the programs during that timeframe. The reality is that Florida over the past decade has had the better team (at least at the time the two teams met).

I think you have the better team and end the streak this weekend. But quit pretending like Florida just got lucky during the last ten years.
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The Gators got over us with talent, swag, and stayed in our minds...if you play to lose, you probably will. Not this year, my friend. :eek:k:

GO VOLS!
 
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daj2576 said:
Talent? 2005.

Coaching? Zook (until now).

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I'm confused by this chart. We had a Top 10 recruiting class last year and by the looks of it you've got us at like 15th?? And I was quite sure in Dooley's first year we were Top 15. He basically rode on the coat tails of Kiffin's recruiting and we finished strong...
 
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When you look at the modern day match ups with Florida, you will notice more times than not, that we give them the game.

Example: Colquitt passed the ball, rather than punt it.

Example: One year, at Neyland, we let their punt returner get huge chunks of yardage on three or four different punts.

Example: Waited too late in the game to replace Peterman with Worley. By then, the damage was done.

Example: In Neyland, a couple of years ago, we let a scat back get close to 200 yards rushing and he almost single handedly beat us.
 
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pharmDvol11 said:
I'm confused by this chart. We had a Top 10 recruiting class last year and by the looks of it you've got us at like 15th?? And I was quite sure in Dooley's first year we were Top 15. He basically rode on the coat tails of Kiffin's recruiting and we finished strong...
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It is recruiting averages, not yearly class rankings. Each year on that chart is an average of that year, and the preceding three years of recruiting (it is a reflection of the roster, not of one class).
 
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in ALL of college sports. You would have to be borderline mentally retarded to field a team that didn't have talent and competed for championships EVERY year!!!

For Burton to call UT "frontrunners" is the pot calling the 'ol kettle black.

UF fans are THE DEFINITION of front runners!!!

There have been VERY few times in the last 20 years that UT has been MORE talented, top to bottom, than UF.

Lawgator... You can get off your little pedestal now. If you think ANY Tennessee Volunteer gives a flaming **** about the UF Gators, you won't find him here.

I can only hope that ALL Gator nation gets the HUGE heaping helping of humility that you all so justly deserve for a good decade or so! For many of us "old timers" you will always be "new money" and nothing more. You should be proud of what UF has accomplished over the last 20 years, but don't get carried away. Again... a little humility would do wonders to the perception of your fan base.
 
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There seems to be some confusion about some data that I posted.

First, it is absolutely a correct statement that Florida has had the more talented recruits on their roster, every year, since 2005. The following chart is showing average recruiting, per year, going back to 2005. For instance, the 2005 roster average is the average of the 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005 recruiting classes. The 2006 roster average is the 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006 recruiting class, and so on.

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Across CFB, and especially in the SEC, looking at these numbers (without adjusting out for attrition or anything else) can predict right at about 70% of every game played. That means that every year, since 2005, UF had a 70% chance to win the game as they had the more talented roster, and often a significantly more talented roster. Understanding why they can win more than 7 games in a ten year spread is a conversation about randomness. It is key to understand that these games are independent events, not effected by a lone game the year before. As an example, you can flip a coin, with only a 50/50 likelihood of either heads or tails and get ten in a row, it just isn't all that likely. That is randomness. Imagine then if the coin was weighted so the likelihood of heads was 70% and tails 30%, as it is when facing a more talented roster, the likelihood of flipping ten heads in a row is much higher.

Next, if you want to look at how both teams have recruited year to year you can see the chart below. This is the data set that is included in the above chart. As you can see, on only 4 occasions since 2002 has UT had a better single recruiting class. One class does little to skew the entire talent on an 85 man roster, although a 33 man class as UT had last year, can move the needle slightly more than usual. The dashed lines show the average recruiting for both teams during that period with Florida around 7 and UT around 13.

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For an absolute breakdown of both team's two deep by position, here is a good visual showing this talent disparity.

From: Two-Deep Talent Comparison: Florida vs. Tennessee

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In sum, rarely if ever (at least during the last ten years) has UT had a better roster of more talented players. It is also arguable considering Fulmer's final years, Kiff, then Dools that we had both less talent and worse coaching.

If UT wins this game, and I believe the Vols pull out a close upset over the Gators, it is in-spite talent and due to home field advantage and coaching.

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TL; DR

Florida is more talented. Coaching and home field wins us this game, if we win. If we dont it isnt a world ending event. Put your pitchforks down.
 
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daj2576 said:
There seems to be some confusion about some data that I posted.

First, it is absolutely a correct statement that Florida has had the more talented recruits on their roster, every year, since 2005. The following chart is showing average recruiting, per year, going back to 2005. For instance, the 2005 roster average is the average of the 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005 recruiting classes. The 2006 roster average is the 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006 recruiting class, and so on.

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Across CFB, and especially in the SEC, looking at these numbers (without adjusting out for attrition or anything else) can predict right at about 70% of every game played. That means that every year, since 2005, UF had a 70% chance to win the game as they had the more talented roster, and often a significantly more talented roster. Understanding why they can win more than 7 games in a ten year spread is a conversation about randomness. It is key to understand that these games are independent events, not effected by a lone game the year before. As an example, you can flip a coin, with only a 50/50 likelihood of either heads or tails and get ten in a row, it just isn't all that likely. That is randomness. Imagine then if the coin was weighted so the likelihood of heads was 70% and tails 30%, as it is when facing a more talented roster, the likelihood of flipping ten heads in a row is much higher.

Next, if you want to look at how both teams have recruited year to year you can see the chart below. This is the data set that is included in the above chart. As you can see, on only 4 occasions since 2002 has UT had a better single recruiting class. One class does little to skew the entire talent on an 85 man roster, although a 33 man class as UT had last year, can move the needle slightly more than usual. The dashed lines show the average recruiting for both teams during that period with Florida around 7 and UT around 13.

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For an absolute breakdown of both team's two deep by position, here is a good visual showing this talent disparity.

From: Two-Deep Talent Comparison: Florida vs. Tennessee

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In sum, rarely if ever (at least during the last ten years) has UT had a better roster of more talented players. It is also arguable considering Fulmer's final years, Kiff, then Dools that we had both less talent and worse coaching.

If UT wins this game, and I believe the Vols pull out a close upset over the Gators, it is in-spite talent and due to home field advantage and coaching.
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So, you'd say that coaching was the reason we lost to Vanderbilt last year, right?
 
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Those are great numbers and all, daj. But saying UT over UF would be an upset is not very accurate. I get what you mean about us losing so many in a row, but last I checked we are favored in this game.
 
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daj2576 said:
If UT wins this game, and I believe the Vols pull out a close upset over the Gators, it is in-spite talent and due to home field advantage and coaching.
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As always, you post some useful stuff though football isn't random in the way you seem to be suggesting.

I think UT will win. I don't think UF will score more than 20 pts. So I believe the closeness of the game comes down to coaching.

UT's O vs UF's D is an interesting thing to try to unravel. Hurd is really looking like a stud. He may give UF trouble. Worley and the receivers are dangerous.... that all sounds great. But then UT's OL has struggled while UF has talent similar to OU and UGA in their front 7. Can UF pressure Worley before he can get to their secondary? UF was run over by Bama's rushing attack but shut UK and EMU down. What does that mean since UT would seem to fit somewhere in between the two in rushing?
 
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