STREET AGENT

Did we use a street agent in your opinion?

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#26
#26
Ced parents are not poor by any means and anyone can buy one if they can get the payments right.
 
#29
#29
Originally posted by milohimself@Feb 16, 2005 7:49 PM
I didn't mean anything by it. Just agreeing that students generally can't afford cars like that.
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Students can afford a lot of things when their parents pay for it.
 
#30
#30
Had Morely went to scUM, and the other kid to UNC, then this wouldn't even be an issue.

If UNC fans want to be upset about something, it should be that they didn't hire Steve Spurrier when they had the chance.

And I say say that as a solid UNC fan.
 
#31
#31
Originally posted by JohnsonCityVol@Feb 16, 2005 8:22 PM
Had Morely went to scUM, and the other kid to UNC, then this wouldn't even be an issue.

If UNC fans want to be upset about something, it should be that they didn't hire Steve Spurrier when they had the chance.

And I say say that as a solid UNC fan.
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How would you feel if the Heels hired Spurrier?
 
#32
#32
When this thing broke, I went to the SEC board (run by a Gamecock fan). It was all over the board - it apparently came from some statement on a board somewhere and got briefly mentioned on ESPN radio. The posters on the board were basically inflating it and the hype was that a BIG story would break the next day in the Miami Herald.

I suggested that until there is proof, why fuel a rumor and got completely trashed by posters from other schools. Bammers and UM'ers were trashing UT left and right. The response was "we didn't say it was true, so if nothing comes out then we can say in good conscious that we just said it was rumored". The next day when no article materialized, these posters said that doesn't prove the rumor ISN'T true! No amount of evidence that suggested it was just a rumor was enough to get these posters to admit there was likely nothing to it. A classic case of "GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT". Even now, they would say there is no proof it didn't happen!

My point? Some will believe against all contrary evidence that this happened. You are all probably tired of hearing this from me but much more of this is coming and more people than you think believe it. Right or wrong, a perception of UT as the cheatingest school in NCAA history is being spread. Clearly it is a misperception but nevertheless, many people WANT to believe it. As Milo said, for many this will be viewed as one more example of UT getting away with it rather than a false allegation. :shakehead:
 
#33
#33
going back to the Cedric Houston issue.......im a 21 year old kid taking a semester of school and working full time and I could never if i worked full time period afford an SUV that nice and neither could my parents (who make 80k or so a year together) Even an Alabama fan can see that one from a mile away.......once again DONT be so naive as to think we are clean.......no GOOD program is completely clean
 
#34
#34
It could be true that some players are getting money or gifts or whatever, but that doesn't mean that UT is playing a part in it. These kids sometimes form relationships outside the boundaries set by the school. An agent gives some money to an uncle, an uncle buys a car for his nephew the player etc. etc. I think Fulmer runs a real clean program. He has to with all the eyes that are on TN. C'mon, with a 65 million dollar athletic budget, do you think UT would take a chance with the rules. You can be sure we are so clean we squeek! IMO!
 
#35
#35
Originally posted by TNFanBornandRaised@Feb 17, 2005 1:49 AM
going back to the Cedric Houston issue.......im a 21 year old kid taking a semester of school and working full time and I could never if i worked full time period afford an SUV that nice and neither could my parents (who make 80k or so a year together) Even an Alabama fan can see that one from a mile away.......once again DONT be so naive as to think we are clean.......no GOOD program is completely clean
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First off, can anyone verify that Houston is driving an Escalade? Or is that also just a rumor? Second, Phil Fulmer would have to be a moron to do anything illegal while all this stuff with Bama is going on. I bet there are undercover Bammers running around the school trying to find things out and I think Phil is a pretty bright guy.
While I kind of agree that no great football program is clean, I also think that it is possible to have a great football program without cheating. If there is some "special treatment" I doubt that Fulmer knows much about it.
 
#36
#36
Doesn't matter what kind of car a player is driving. All vehicles have to be registered with the athletic department. UT scrutinizes each situation. Basically UT puts a stop to any violation related to vehicles pronto.

Regarding some that say that are not naive enough to think that UT does not run a clean program.... :censored:

Some improprieties may have occurred in the past... but with the scrutiny that is being levied on the UT program right now... especially with a few open lawsuits.... UT is as squeaky clean is it has ever been. Therefore, the 'street agent' rumour is just that... a rumour. There are no facts to back up any allegations.

BTW -- nothing sticks to Teflon because its clean!
 
#37
#37
Originally posted by TNVOLS1@Feb 16, 2005 8:42 PM
Ced parents are not poor by any means and anyone can buy one if they can get the payments right.
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I don't know why people think it's so far fetched for a college kid to drive an SUV. In today's screwed up world of car (f)leases, you can get one of those things for $400 a month.
 
#38
#38
on the Escalade Issue......I have a friend who goes to UT that told me that.....i know somebodys gonna say "hes lying etc etc." this guy has no reason to lie lol i know him really well.....his words were "houston, riggs, a lineman and rick clausen stepped out of it and wow did he look out of place" lol

2nd off........get mad and cuss if you want.......see the writing on the wall.....yes we have an eye on us alot.......but thats because of the scott wells incident...jamal lewis incident.....tee martin....all this stuff looks bad on us.....we DO get away with alot of it.....of course alot of us believe we run a clean program....in a perfect world we probably would.....and im not saying we have a dirty program that cheats all the time....for the most part our program is clean but we have stretched rules and broke them even unto now

This outta make someone mad lol :gun: :D
 
#39
#39
Also, if a player is on full scholarship AND qualifies for federal grant money... he gets to pocket the left over grant money. This rarely or never gets mentioned when the ESPN know-it-alls discuss their opinions on whether college players should get paid or not because "they can't even buy a pizza."

They get tuition, books, room, and food paid for. Tutors are also paid for. They have no living expenses.... so if they have left over grant money... they can buy all kinds of stuff.
 
#40
#40
Originally posted by TNFanBornandRaised@Feb 17, 2005 10:21 AM
on the Escalade Issue......I have a friend who goes to UT that told me that.....i know somebodys gonna say "hes lying etc etc." this guy has no reason to lie lol i know him really well.....his words were "houston, riggs, a lineman and rick clausen stepped out of it and wow did he look out of place" lol

2nd off........get mad and cuss if you want.......see the writing on the wall.....yes we have an eye on us alot.......but thats because of the scott wells incident...jamal lewis incident.....tee martin....all this stuff looks bad on us.....we DO get away with alot of it.....of course alot of us believe we run a clean program....in a perfect world we probably would.....and im not saying we have a dirty program that cheats all the time....for the most part our program is clean but we have stretched rules and broke them even unto now

This outta make someone mad lol :gun: :D
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I'm not dumb enough to think that we have always been squeaky clean, but of those incidents you named . . . What exactly do you think we got away with?
 
#41
#41
Originally posted by TNFanBornandRaised@Feb 17, 2005 10:21 AM
2nd off........get mad and cuss if you want.......see the writing on the wall.....yes we have an eye on us alot.......but thats because of the scott wells incident...jamal lewis incident.....tee martin....all this stuff looks bad on us.....we DO get away with alot of it.....
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You will need to expand more on each incident and how "we DO get away with alot of it". I am not aware of Scott Wells' issues. Jamal Lewis' current legal problems occurred AFTER he left UT and are not NCAA violations. The Tee Martin issue was one where Bammers were trying to dig up anything. It was PROVEN (and well documented in newspaper articles on the internet) that there was NO NCAA violation regarding Tee Martin, his vehicle and the family friend in Mobile.

There are several reasons that these issues even came to light. The 1998 National Championship and the idiot Bammers. Every team that wins a national championship is immediately scrutinized for violations. And the bammers are trying to find ANYTHING that appears to be a violation. They blow it out of proportion and try to get it into the media before finding out if it is even a violation.

Case in point the accusation that UT violated NCAA rules by taking early qualifiers to the bowl game this year. Had the stupid bammers read the rulebook, they would have known it was NOT a violation. However, it was widely reported in newspapers the allegations that UT violated NCAA rules. It didn't stick either.... you know why.... BECAUSE THERE WAS NO VIOLATION.

Believe me, when a REAL violation is reported then UT will be in trouble. Until then, UT is clean and has NOT gotten away with anything.

Don't let the bammers brainwash you!
 
#42
#42
I don't mean to name drop (OK, maybe I do) . . . but since I was in charge of transportation for our Touchdown Club for a couple of years, on the way to the airport I had the opportunity to ask CPF personally about Tee Martin. I thought it was very telling when he said that what scared him about the whole situation was that if Tee was receiving money, he had no earthly idea what he was doing with it since his lifestyle never seemed to change in the years he was on campus. It was pretty clear that Phil was not nearly as concerned about his program as he was for Tee personally .
 
#44
#44
Originally posted by allvol@Feb 17, 2005 10:21 AM
Also, if a player is on full scholarship AND qualifies for federal grant money...
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Which Houston was wasn't he? Didn't he get the pell grant or something?
 
#46
#46
Originally posted by milohimself@Feb 17, 2005 6:00 PM
Alright. Maybe I'm not supposed to think twice about a college kid driving a $60,000 car.
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Well, all that I am saying is with a full scholarship and grant money, he could have easily afforded the monthly payment. I received a full ride to the University of Colorado and a stipend. I was able to pay $735 in rent along with the all the other costs and still have money to go out. I bought a lot of stuff too. So, I could have easily handled a $400 car payment if my room and board was free.

My point is, nobody really knows what Cedric's situation was and it is kind of silly to assume that Fulmer or whoever paid for his car based on what one person saw.
 
#47
#47
Originally posted by milohimself@Feb 17, 2005 6:00 PM
Alright. Maybe I'm not supposed to think twice about a college kid driving a $60,000 car.
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Thinking twice is one thing . . . thinking there's a violation is another. I'm just saying that although it's out of the ordinary, there are a lot of very legitimate ways that it could happen. Creative financing and leasing have put a LOT of people into cars that they shouldn't be able to afford.

Also, I guess in the back of my mind I'm also thinking that there's no way anybody taking money would be so stupid as to flaunt it like that.
 
#48
#48
Actually, it wouldn't matter if every UT player got a car after their last game was over. They are no longer under the rules of the NCAA. I bet Houston signed w/ an agent and they are betting on an NFL paycheck. As long as his eligibility was up, there is no wrongdoing. :bash:
 
#49
#49
Originally posted by utvolpj@Feb 17, 2005 7:14 PM
Actually, it wouldn't matter if every UT player got a car after their last game was over.  They are no longer under the rules of the NCAA.  I bet Houston signed w/ an agent and they are betting on an NFL paycheck.  As long as his eligibility was up, there is no wrongdoing.  :bash:
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That's not quite right . . .

If he signs with an agent and gets an advance after his career his college career is over with, that's one thing. But on the other hand, the University is still not allowed to offer extra benefits.

Of all things, the UGA gymnastics coach just got in trouble for taking a couple of seniors with her on an all expense paid trip after their final season was over with. . . . You can't just start paying players off once their careers are over with.
 
#50
#50
That came out wrong, I didn't mean UT should promise them a car after finishing their career. :lol: I remember Pickens driving around campus in his brand new Jag and that was before he even announced.
 
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