Strength and Conditioning Program

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I brought this up awhile back, but it never really got much of a response. But do you think we have a weak strength and conditioning program? It seems that we have had a handful of injury plagued seasons the last few years. Do you think Johnny Long is to blame for this? Not trying to point fingers at anybody, but it seems that we shouldn't have this many injuries. I just find it strange that Tennessee has seemingly been the most beat up team in the SEC the last few years.
 
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I was wondering the same thing about the conditioning program... it's either that or just bad luck. Probably a little of both.
 
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I've wondered this same thing for a couple of years. 2002 was probably the worst we've ever had it, injury-wise. I can't really say that our guys aren't very well-conditioned, though. If you watch the LSU game from last year, you'll see a lot of Tigers looking out of breath and getting cramps. The Vols looked just fine.
 
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I don't think you can lay most football injuries at the training staff's feet.
 
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Injuries just happen. I don't see how Inky's injury could have been prevented by any measures. Likewise, thinking about other big injuries ... Ainge (04), Allen (05), Riggs, etc. I tend to think it is more chance and bad luck than anything. We have definitely had more than our share of it in the past few years, and it is frustrating. We have depth, and as someone else said in another post, we have All-Americans backing up our All-Americans. Those boys can all play or they wouldn't be wearing orange. Hopefully, they will get their game-legs sooner than later because they have no choice.
 
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Injuries are the downside to an aggressive, hard-hitting style. Conditioning can't stop you from hitting at a wrong angle. Icky just got a bad lick, he lowered his head and got a helmet to his shoulder. As far as ligaments go you never know when one is going to tear. When you are going at full speed, giving all you have, sometimes things bend and move in directions they aren’t supposed to or someone hits an elbow or knee when it is fully extended with the weight of you and another on it. Just dumb luck.
 
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as an example to the post above: Jerry Rice was probably the most well conditioned football player to ever compete, and even he dislocated his knee cap one year in a freak tackle from behind.
 
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duckman398686 said:
I brought this up awhile back, but it never really got much of a response. But do you think we have a weak strength and conditioning program? It seems that we have had a handful of injury plagued seasons the last few years. Do you think Johnny Long is to blame for this? Not trying to point fingers at anybody, but it seems that we shouldn't have this many injuries. I just find it strange that Tennessee has seemingly been the most beat up team in the SEC the last few years.
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yes i agree. i think this is one of reasons Auburn has risen as a program the last few years.
 
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alot of the former vols in the NFL still come back to train in the off season with coach long, in the SEC if you go out there and leave it all on the field there are gona be injurys.
 
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I would say that if our players were going down with a lot of cramps and strained muscles that we could question our conditioning...but all the conditioning in the world can't prevent broken bones, stingers, ankle injuries, etc.

And while we're on the subject, with a name like "Johnny Long" how did this guy not get into porn?
 
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I can't see Johnny Long as the problem. IMO most injuries happen from being out of position when the injury occurs. What I see at UT is a lack of tackling skill. DBs are notorious for poor tackling and being out of position. I think that has more of an effect on injuries that conditioning.
 
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My brother in law played D1 ball and informed me that the style of strength training that UT cuases more knee injuries than anything.

As far as shoulders, ankles and muscle sprains....that stuff can happen to anybody.
 
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I definitely know that you cannot blame Johnson's injury on conditioning. You also would not be able to blame Ainge's, Schaeffer's, and Jason Allen's injuries on conditioning.
 
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I have to disagree. IMO Both Ainge and Schaeffer needed about 20-30 lbs of muscle to be playing in the SEC when they were freshmen. They both looked thin to me. I think that could have prevented both of those injuries.
 
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oklavol said:
I have to disagree. IMO Both Ainge and Schaeffer needed about 20-30 lbs of muscle to be playing in the SEC when they were freshmen. They both looked thin to me. I think that could have prevented both of those injuries.
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So, in your opinion, they should not have played as freshman? Also, the hits that each took, while exposed in their throwing motion, were enough to injure most QBs. It is football, people get injured regardles of their strength and conditioning. This is not Madden where you can buy a injury prevention agency with a rating of 99 and avoid all major injuries during the year.
 
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oklavol said:
I have to disagree. IMO Both Ainge and Schaeffer needed about 20-30 lbs of muscle to be playing in the SEC when they were freshmen. They both looked thin to me. I think that could have prevented both of those injuries.
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Prevented the injuries?? Schaeffer was nearly broken in half on a hit he took as he threw and Ainge just fell the wrong way on his shoulder. What difference would 20 lbs have made?

Also, they were true freshmen who got to campus in August and were on the field playing in September. Unless you want to pump them full of HGH and 'roids, expecting a strength coach to be able to pack 20-30 pounds on a true freshmen during 2 a days or in season is completely unrealistic.
 
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therealUT said:
So, in your opinion, they should not have played as freshman? Also, the hits that each took, while exposed in their throwing motion, were enough to injure most QBs. It is football, people get injured regardles of their strength and conditioning. This is not Madden where you can buy a injury prevention agency with a rating of 99 and avoid all major injuries during the year.
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So your saying that UT's conditioning program had them ready to play at the SEC level as freshmen? That they were not undersized and didn't need extra muscle when they were playing as freshmen?
 
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oklavol said:
So your saying that UT's conditioning program had them ready to play at the SEC level as freshmen? That they were not undersized and didn't need extra muscle when they were playing as freshmen?
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Very few true freshmen are EVER physically ready to play right away. Ainge and Schaeffer got forced onto the field.
 
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GAVol said:
Think about what you are saying . . . They were true freshmen who got to campus in August and were on the field playing in September. Unless you want to pump them full of 'roids, no strength coach is going to be able to pack 20-30 pounds on true freshmen during 2 a days or in season.
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I played football in high school with a player given a college scholarship. He was given a weight training program to use over the summer with conditioning guidelines from the university. He worked out all summmer before he started fall practice and on their program he put on 15-20 lbs before the season started. Your talking about 5-7 lbs a month, or 1-2 lbs a week.
 
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therealUT said:
So, in your opinion, they should not have played as freshman? Also, the hits that each took, while exposed in their throwing motion, were enough to injure most QBs. It is football, people get injured regardles of their strength and conditioning. This is not Madden where you can buy a injury prevention agency with a rating of 99 and avoid all major injuries during the year.
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:lol:
 
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oklavol said:
So your saying that UT's conditioning program had them ready to play at the SEC level as freshmen? That they were not undersized and didn't need extra muscle when they were playing as freshmen?
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Looking at the stats that each put up in 2004, yes they were ready. If Bo Jackson can be the victim of a career ending injury, then I do not view it as out of the realm of possibilities that the hits that Ainge and Schaefer took would have left almost any D1 QB injured.
 
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oklavol said:
I played football in high school with a player given a college scholarship. He was given a weight training program to use over the summer with conditioning guidelines from the university. He worked out all summmer before he started fall practice and on their program he put on 15-20 lbs before the season started. Your talking about 5-7 lbs a month, or 1-2 lbs a week.
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That's great. I played HS football with a guy who went on to set the Big XII Conference Record for lowest individual body fat (for a football player.) He was 6'3", 235 and played outside linebacker. That is about as well conditioned as one can be...he got injured his sophomore season.
 
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Let me try to reframe this arguement.

UT has a problem with injuries.
Better conditioning reduces the risk of injury.
Better condtioning would reduce UT's risk of injury.

Show me the error here. That seems logical to me.
 
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