Surprise Tournament Snubs?

#26
#26
Volru said:
The committee will be looking at the quality of every win and loss not just broad categories like "good wins" and "bad losses" like the media does. They will also campare. You are assuming Lunadri and Palm have this too precisely pegged. They never do.
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Actually I wouldn't believe much Lunardi is saying this far out, so you're assumption I'm believe Joey brackets is false.

Yes they'll look at quality losses, for the 5th time nothing UVA can do at this point will make that a bad loss. It's a quality loss and if they lose to NC State, it's still a quality loss.

While you're at it though, root for Ole Miss, Bama, UK, UMASS and Arkansas since we played them too and they're on the bubble. At this point our resume is fine, we need to win and bubble teams losing helps...that includes UVA, if you wanna root for them to win you will be the only one.
 
#27
#27
bleedingTNorange said:
Actually I wouldn't believe much Lunardi is saying this far out, so you're assumption I'm believe Joey brackets is false.

Yes they'll look at quality losses, for the 5th time nothing UVA can do at this point will make that a bad loss. It's a quality loss and if they lose to NC State, it's still a quality loss.

While you're at it though, root for Ole Miss, Bama, UK, UMASS and Arkansas since we played them too and they're on the bubble. At this point our resume is fine, we need to win and bubble teams losing helps...that includes UVA, if you wanna root for them to win you will be the only one.
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Ultimately, the committee will start with a bigger bubble and ask seed by seed which is the better team. Actually, I am hoping the committee will perceive all the SEC bubble teams better as than rated, perhaps at least comparable to losing Big Ten teams safely in. Just saying, the committee won't just click on Lunardi's brackets and go from there. They get to call them as THEY see them. Likely the better they see our opponents the better they see us.

I wish I felt confident enough to predict that TN, KY, and Miss all make it in, maybe even seeded slightly higher than expected. Similar scenarios have happened before on selection day, but I won't go that far. It won't surprise me though.
 
#28
#28
Volru said:
Ultimately, the committee will start with a bigger bubble and ask seed by seed which is the better team. Actually, I am hoping the committee will perceive all the SEC bubble teams better as than rated, perhaps at least comparable to losing Big Ten teams safely in. Just saying, the committee won't just click on Lunardi's brackets and go from there. They get to call them as THEY see them. Likely the better they see our opponents the better they see us.

I wish I felt confident enough to predict that TN, KY, and Miss all make it in, maybe even seeded slightly higher than expected. Similar scenarios have happened before on selection day, but I won't go that far. It won't surprise me though.
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Well you root for UVA, UMASS, UK, Bama and Arkansas and I'll root for Tennessee, and all those othes to get beat.

:hi:
 
#29
#29
bleedingTNorange said:
Well you root for UVA, UMASS, UK, Bama and Arkansas and I'll root for Tennessee, and all those othes to get beat.

:hi:
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I'll root for Tennessee and let the rest take care of itself. Like the coach said the other night, "We just need to win basketball games."
 
#31
#31
OP, don't be so quick on Minnesota. They are much like Pearl's last team. They have a great early season resume, and while they did falter some down the stretch, they still have some big wins. I think it is clear these days that the committee takes the whole body of work into consideration. That is why I am concerned a little about our "last 10 games" argument.

Pearl's last team was 8-8 in conference (5th in East!) and 19-14 going into the tournament. I don't think there was a question about getting in but maybe some apprehension about the seed.

I love how all of the tournaments have unfolded for UT. NC State has a great chance at knocking off UVA, Boise has to play SDSU again, LaSalle most likely gets Butler, Iowa State has to play Oklahoma, Ole Miss gets Missouri, and we have the chance to play Bama. Couldn't be set up more perfect. Just win, baby.
 
#32
#32
bleedingTNorange said:
Yea win it all and you got nothing to worry about, but I'm trying to be realistic.
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Win the first game and the Bama game is pretty big. When it comes down to it, the distance between a 9 seed and a 12 is pretty thin. I wish everybody could lose but us, but that's not realistic either.

We put six in a row together late season, something of a predictor od tournament potential. Not many teams have done that this year. This team can get on a role.
 
#33
#33
VolGee4 said:
OP, don't be so quick on Minnesota. They are much like Pearl's last team. They have a great early season resume, and while they did falter some down the stretch, they still have some big wins. I think it is clear these days that the committee takes the whole body of work into consideration. That is why I am concerned a little about our "last 10 games" argument.

Pearl's last team was 8-8 in conference (5th in East!) and 19-14 going into the tournament. I don't think there was a question about getting in but maybe some apprehension about the seed.

I love how all of the tournaments have unfolded for UT. NC State has a great chance at knocking off UVA, Boise has to play SDSU again, LaSalle most likely gets Butler, Iowa State has to play Oklahoma, Ole Miss gets Missouri, and we have the chance to play Bama. Couldn't be set up more perfect. Just win, baby.
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How many SEC teams (out of 12 teams then) got in with that 8-8 conference team?
 
#34
#34
Volru said:
Win the first game and the Bama game is pretty big. When it comes down to it, the distance between a 9 seed and a 12 is pretty thin. I wish everybody could lose but us, but that's not realistic either.

We put six in a row together late season, something of a predictor od tournament potential. Not many teams have done that this year. This team can get on a role.
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The most realistic thing is us win 2, for that to be enough no doubt about it we need a few to lose...that's why every Vol fan except you is rooting against UVA and all the other bubble teams, even if we have played them this season (UK, BAMA, Ole miss, UMASS, Arkansas)

Sure just win baby win would work...but I'm not holding my breath on that. If some other bubble teams lose our chances of making it increase as does our margin of error.
 
#35
#35
bleedingTNorange said:
The most realistic thing is us win 2, for that to be enough no doubt about it we need a few to lose...that's why every Vol fan except you is rooting against UVA and all the other bubble teams, even if we have played them this seasons (UK, BAMA, Ole miss, UMASS, Arkansas)
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Would you be surprised if UT got say a 10 seed, KY an 11, and Miss a 12 seed play in?
 
#37
#37
bleedingTNorange said:
Surprised? Yes. Not because the SEC got 5 in but because ole miss won enough games in a row to get in.
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I still think the bubble is a little bigger than the conventional wisdom says, and it could shuffle significantly with some bad conference tournament performances elswhere. I think losses by Minn, Colorado, Cal, Iowa State, Oklahoma, Villinova, etc help too. If they do poorly and we do well in our tournament, we look all the more in league with that group. Better the committee finds itself splitting hairs between us and those teams than teams more on the edge of the bubble.
 
#38
#38
VOLsince68 said:
I just hope that we're not one of them. We are in a great spot to be one of those teams. And, we don't typically get any favors from anyone.
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:lolabove: Man, you got that right. We definitely don't get any favors and neither does the SEC.
GO VOLS!
 
#41
#41
MTSU very well may get snubbed, but their performance last year could benefit them. They're something like 55-12 over the past two years, and they barely missed the tournament last year too. Not sure if the committee would take that into consideration though.
 
#42
#42
The loser of the Illinois-Minnesota game will finish a combined 8-11 in the conference. That should be an automatic DQ, IMO.
 
#43
#43
Minnesota has the #23 RPI, #2 SOS, and they've beaten #5 Indiana, #7 MSU, #17 Memphis, #41 Illinois and #43 Wisconsin. Anyone who thinks they're on the bubble is kidding themselves.
 
#44
#44
Volru said:
9-9 wasn't half bad then. Monster out of conference schedule too as I recall. We were something of a giant killer back then too.
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Played a lot of tourney teams as Oakland and I believe USC got in along with VCU, Nova, Pitt, Memphis, and Belmont. But this year's Big Ten is probably just as tough as the east division that year.
 
#45
#45
VolGee4 said:
OP, don't be so quick on Minnesota. They are much like Pearl's last team. They have a great early season resume, and while they did falter some down the stretch, they still have some big wins. I think it is clear these days that the committee takes the whole body of work into consideration. That is why I am concerned a little about our "last 10 games" argument.

Pearl's last team was 8-8 in conference (5th in East!) and 19-14 going into the tournament. I don't think there was a question about getting in but maybe some apprehension about the seed.

I love how all of the tournaments have unfolded for UT. NC State has a great chance at knocking off UVA, Boise has to play SDSU again, LaSalle most likely gets Butler, Iowa State has to play Oklahoma, Ole Miss gets Missouri, and we have the chance to play Bama. Couldn't be set up more perfect. Just win, baby.
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The thing about that "setup" is that losses to Butler and even Oklahoma aren't nearly bad enough losses to knock either of those teams out of the tourney. Iowa State especially is likely in either way.
 
#46
#46
VKAman said:
The thing about that "setup" is that losses to Butler and even Oklahoma aren't nearly bad enough losses to knock either of those teams out of the tourney. Iowa State especially is likely in either way.
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True but I take losses to anyone at this point. I would rather they lose than beat a mediocre team. I believe UVA is definitely out if they can't beat NC State.
 
#47
#47
VolGee4 said:
True but I take losses to anyone at this point. I would rather they lose than beat a mediocre team. I believe UVA is definitely out if they can't beat NC State.
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Looks like we got the loss we needed most, Boise St. Looks like all the help we got yesterday.
 
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