Swearing in on the Koran....does it really matter?

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DAVOL said:
And one racist ignorant bigot is one too many gee who could I be talking about.
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don't know, but Robert Byrd keeps on getting elected by the people of West "by God" Virginia.

Ted Turner is a model of tolerance, just ask the Pope's shoe salesman.

and let's not forget the ketchup addled buffoonery of John Kerry, who's epic faux faux pas further alienated the Dems from the Troops.
 
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Let's try to view this logically. The purpose of swearing in on a Bible is that the official is not only making an oath with his country but also with his God. It is a farce that so many of our elected officials even swear in on a Bible. They should probably swear in on some Emerson or Thoreau essay.

That being said, a Muslim should swear in using the Koran. As such, a Jewish official should swear in using the Torah.
 
#30
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here's a chance for Ellison to show his mettle.

Power Line: Sharia In Action

an Iranian teenaged girl has been sentenced to death for defending herself from and killing a would-be rapist. a local ayatollah has set aside the sentence for the time being.

some of you are saying I'm wrong for not wanting a Muslim in Congress. I'll gladly admit I was wrong if Ellison takes the principled stand and intervenes on behalf of this young girl.
 
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Exactly how would a U.S. Senator intervene in a country in which the U.S. has absolutely no diplomatic ties???
 
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#32
he can do what most US politicians do and bloviate endlessly to major news organizations. His specific topic can be about how Islam needs to move out of the 12th century barbarism and refer to this case directly.

He could also call on his buddies at CAIR who have ties to Hamas and Hezbollah (and by association, the leadership of Iran) and they can seek to provide "pressure". After all, CAIR seeks to portray Islam as peaceful. What better PR move could there be than to save a teenage girl sentenced to die for defending herself.

it's not that hard to figure out, sir.
 
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MG1968 said:
he can do what most US politicians do and bloviate endlessly to major news organizations. His specific topic can be about how Islam needs to move out of the 12th century barbarism and refer to this case directly.

He could also call on his buddies at CAIR who have ties to Hamas and Hezbollah (and by association, the leadership of Iran) and they can seek to provide "pressure". After all, CAIR seeks to portray Islam as peaceful. What better PR move could there be than to save a teenage girl sentenced to die for defending herself.

it's not that hard to figure out, sir.
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So basically, what you are saying, is you want him to put his neck on the line for a lost cause. Nothing he can say nor do will cause a stay on her execution.

You might have stated that you could care less whether a Muslim is elected to the Senate, as long as they do the right thing. However, you are certainly holding him to a higher standard. Remember, discretion is the better part of valor. This is not a wise battle for Senator Ellison to fight.
 
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#34
yeah, I suppose you're right. after all, character is doing the right thing when no one is looking. I'd certainly hate for a US politician of any stripe to damage their political future by championing a lost cause.
 
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This issue has absolutely nothing to do with character. Unless he wants to rally up the troops to actually enter Iran and forcibly stay the execution, the girl will be executed. None of the Christian congressmen are championing that idea, therefore, there is absolutely no reason for the sole Muslim congressman to do so.

On a further note, I feel that someone who makes such a bigoted statement as "1 Muslim is too many" has absolutely no credibility when it comes to issues of character.
 
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And people wonder why we need a separation of church and state...

While it is true that most members of Congress are Protestant, that does not mean that non-Protestants are not capable of being members of Congress.

What's next? No Jews? Seriously, the guy's religious background has nothign to do with his ability to be a Congressman. Now, if he starts voting for things that his district does not like because he's Muslim, they are free to vote him out just as anyone else can vote out a rep just because they vote based on their education.

Absurd discussion.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And people wonder why we need a separation of church and state...

While it is true that most members of Congress are Protestant, that does not mean that non-Protestants are not capable of being members of Congress.

What's next? No Jews? Seriously, the guy's religious background has nothign to do with his ability to be a Congressman. Now, if he starts voting for things that his district does not like because he's Muslim, they are free to vote him out just as anyone else can vote out a rep just because they vote based on their education.

Absurd discussion.
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Well said!
 
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well, you're both right (LG and UT). I'm not an Ellison constituent, and unless he gets some pressure from his constituency he won't say a word.

I won't deny that I tend to be bigoted toward Islam, but that in no way means that I'm not able to distinguish an act of character as opposed to an act (or non-act) based on political expedience.
 
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