Syria's role in the release of the British sailors

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hohenfelsvol said:
You're inability to get the point everyone is making is matched only by your knowledge of history and current affairs.
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I certainly understand where they are coming from, as the Syrians have long been a supporter of Hezbollah, but considering our alliance with the Saudis, I don't see where we can rule them out as potentially helpful with Iran. That is the point I am trying to make.
 
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I have dug myself a hole so deep with this that I can't possibly climb out of it, please disregard, as I don't think my point can be made after some of my comments.
 
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I will say that I am not trying to preach the goodness that is Syria. But i will say it again, I think that they could be helpful.
 
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I am sorry if I have offended anyone with my statements, apparently I just need to research the subject a little more before commenting. I am only going by things I have read recently pointing to a lesser involvement by the Syrian government in the insurgency and a perceived willingness to help in certain situations in the Middle East. That this is all a PR ploy is a definite possibility, but for once I would like to think that we can get some help there and undo some of the damage that has been done. If it makes me naive and idealistic, I suppose I am that.
 
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emainvol said:
he is one of the three people on the board that can make me feel stupid with regularity.
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That is never my intention. Always remember, I'm debating the soundness of your assertions, not attacking your mental acuity.
 
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hatvol96 said:
That is never my intention. Always remember, I'm debating the soundness of your assertions, not attacking your mental acuity.
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this i understand, unfortunately, as you so eloquently put it earlier, went into a "sword fight with a butter knife" this time.
 
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Unfortunately emainvol you are talking about taking help from a country that would be the equivalent of taking help from Osama Bin Laden. Osama would help you from the edge of a cliff only to cut your head off on camera later. Becareful who you think can help us and why.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Unfortunately emainvol you are talking about taking help from a country that would be the equivalent of taking help from Osama Bin Laden. Osama would help you from the edge of a cliff only to cut your head off on camera later. Becareful who you think can help us and why.
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I understand, but the idea is not without precedent. We have taken help from perceived enemies for the greater goal, or aided shady figures for the greater goal, on quite a few occasions. The issue is, every now and then it comes back to bite you in the arse.
 
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hatvol96 said:
This just proves a point I've been making for some time now. If Hitler had come to power in the 2000s, instead of the 1930s, he would have ruled the world in about a month. The gullibility and naivete of the American people has reached a level that we deserve everything that happens to us.
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We didn't have to fight a politically correct war with the press at every venue back in those days! Plus men were men and the women didn't have a say so!

We have lost all our military respect around the world because we haven't finished anything since WWII!:salute:
 
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Let's not forget that Stalin was one of our allies in WWII... now there's a man we should idolize. I'm sure the German army would have crumbled just as quickly without the meat-grinder known as the eastern front.

I vote we hang on to abstract ideals instead of adjusting our strategy to the situation as it exists, because doing things the extremely hard way is always best -- just ask the Baker commission.
 
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jdsa said:
Let's not forget that Stalin was one of our allies in WWII... now there's a man we should idolize. I'm sure the German army would have crumbled just as quickly without the meat-grinder known as the eastern front.

I vote we hang on to abstract ideals instead of adjusting our strategy to the situation as it exists, because doing things the extremely hard way is always best -- just ask the Baker commission.
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The German Army crumbled quickly at the Eastern Front?

Right...........:yikes:
 
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crimedawg12 said:
We didn't have to fight a politically correct war with the press at every venue back in those days! Plus men were men and the women didn't have a say so!

We have lost all our military respect around the world because we haven't finished anything since WWII!:salute:
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Absolutely untrue. People fear the hell out of our military, but today understand that if they'll dig in their heels and use our idealistic media against us, that we will cave and move on. Right now now we're watching the playbook that Ho Chi passed on to the world being played out before our eyes.
 
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jdsa said:
Let's not forget that Stalin was one of our allies in WWII... now there's a man we should idolize. I'm sure the German army would have crumbled just as quickly without the meat-grinder known as the eastern front.

I vote we hang on to abstract ideals instead of adjusting our strategy to the situation as it exists, because doing things the extremely hard way is always best -- just ask the Baker commission.
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I didn't realize that Hezbollah was an "abstract ideal." Call me when you see Hezbollah or the Syrian Army take up arms against Al Qaeda. Then, your comparison would have some validity.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
exactly. I'd say we benefitted mightily from Hitler's misguided focus on the Eastern front
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The estimated casualties, civilian and military, was in the tens of millions.

It was a brilliant stroke by the allies to let Russia take the brunt of Germany.

Ike was brilliant for letting the Russians clear out Berlin.

:thumbsup:
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
The estimated casualties, civilian and military, was in the tens of millions.

It was a brilliant stroke by the allies to let Russia take the brunt of Germany.

Ike was brilliant for letting the Russians clear out Berlin.

:thumbsup:
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yeah, he was relegated to an air war in the Battle of Britain and couldn't adequately protect against our leap onto the mainland from Britain. Had he been able to focus in the West, those white headstone laden cemeteries around Normandy would overwhelm the entire region.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
yeah, he was relegated to an air war in the Battle of Britain and couldn't adequately protect against our leap onto the mainland from Britain. Had he been able to focus in the West, those white headstone laden cemeteries around Normandy would overwhelm the entire region.
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While we are on the soap box, it blows my mind how much praise the German Army got in World War II. I am not saying they did not have an efficient military just no god-like status.

Sure they surprised Poland, it took over 6 months of fighting to finally quell the population down, and after that, Russia ended up with more Polish territory than the Germans.

Also, if those Panzer divisions would have been released in Normandy who knows what would have happened.

Ike would probably have used his resignation letter he kept in his pant pocket.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
While we are on the soap box, it blows my mind how much praise the German Army got in World War II. I am not saying they did not have an efficient military just no god-like status.

Sure they surprised Poland, it took over 6 months of fighting to finally quell the population down, and after that, Russia ended up with more Polish territory than the Germans.

Also, if those Panzer divisions would have been released in Normandy who knows what would have happened.

Ike would probably have used his resignation letter he kept in his pant pocket.
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Our end would have been ugly and the former USSR would have been much larger piece of continental Europe when the war ended.
 
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