Table all 9/11 Conspiracy Discussions

[All Vol!]

Thanks for your brave work. The rest of us are dumb, lazy slobs who slavenly follow the government no matter what they say. If not for those like you that are so pure of heart and clear of mind, we would be lost.

It appears that most of us are either 1) part of the conspiracy - truly ruthless, evil people (thousands must fit this category for a conspiracy of this magnitude), 2) selfishly concerned with self-preservation; too scared to dig for the real answers (the media fits this category), or 3) dumb/lazy people who don't want to know the "truth".

Thankfully, we have the brave minority who will show us the light and save us from ourselves.

thanks for your post...you really brought a lot to the table with this one. Some really great points! :jpshakehead:

 

[volinbham]

thanks for your post...you really brought a lot to the table with this one. Some really great points! :jpshakehead:

Kinda like your duty as a citizen?

 

[All Vol!]

Kinda like your duty as a citizen?

anyway, OrangeEmpire had suggested having a "serious" discussion about 9/11. Maybe I can have that with him, we'll see, but I just can't waste anymore time discussing with someone, the substance of whose argument is the frequent use of the word "lunacy."

 

[All Vol!]

volinbham[/B];476276]

In the interest of democracy however, I would certainly respect the wishes of the majority here.

In the interest of democracy? Democracy ceases to be democracy when it votes to limit free speech.

That said, I'm glad you voted no. We agree on something!! epper:

 

[therealUT]

volinbham[/b];476276]


In the interest of democracy? Democracy ceases to be democracy when it votes to limit free speech.

That said, I'm glad you voted no. We agree on something!! epper:

Democracy ceases to be a democracy when the government is stood up and structured as a representative republic.:clapping:

 

[All Vol!]

Democracy ceases to be a democracy when the government is stood up and structured as a representative republic.:clapping:

ok. :whatever:

 

[volinbham]

volinbham[/B];476276]


In the interest of democracy? Democracy ceases to be democracy when it votes to limit free speech.

Democracy refers to people ruling, in particular -- the concept of majority rule. It is not synonymous with free speech.

 

[MG1968]

Popular mechanics article debunking 9-11 myths

a very good read.

The Conspiracy Industry

another good read.

he 9/11 Truth Movement invariably describes the mainstream account of 9/11 as the “government version” or “the official version.” In fact, the generally accepted account of 9/11 is made up of a multitude of sources: thousands of newspaper, TV, and radio reports produced by journalists from all over the world; investigations conducted by independent organizations and institutions, including the American Society of Civil Engineers, Purdue University, Northwestern University, Columbia University, the National Fire Protection Association, and Underwriters Laboratories, Inc.; eyewitness testimony from literally thousands of people; recordings and transcripts of phone calls, air traffic control transmissions, and other communications; thousands of photographs; thousands of feet of video footage; and, let’s not forget the words of Osama bin Laden, who discussed the operation in detail on more than one occasion, including in an audio recording released in May 2006 that said: “I am responsible for assigning the roles of the 19 brothers to conduct these conquests . . .”

The mainstream view of 9/11 is, in other words, a vast consensus. By presenting it instead as the product of a small coterie of insiders, conspiracists are able to ignore facts they find inconvenient and demonize people with whom they disagree.

 

[MG1968]

Democracy refers to people ruling, in particular -- the concept of majority rule. It is not synonymous with free speech.

exactly...true democracy is a "tyranny of the majority" and as such is not a viable political system.

 

[All Vol!]

I think you got your quote blocks a little out of whack...why does my user name appear above something I never said? :ermm:

 

[MG1968]

it was the way volinbham's post was structured, it's been edited. sorry, I certainly don't want to put words in your mouth

 

[All Vol!]

Popular mechanics article debunking 9-11 myths

Popular Mechanics is about as close to a government publication as it gets. Proprietor and Chairman of the Board, George R. Hearst, is the grandson of William Hearst, the father of yellow-journalism. A number of those currently on its board of directors have close and easily verifiable ties to the Bush administration. Go check it out.

 

[All Vol!]

it was the way volinbham's post was structured, it's been edited. sorry, I certainly don't want to put words in your mouth

no prob...I guess I don't need much help coming up with words, eh?

 

[allvol123]

Popular Mechanics is about as close to a government publication as it gets. Proprietor and Chairman of the Board, George R. Hearst, is the grandson of William Hearst, the father of yellow-journalism. A number of those currently on its board of directors have close and easily verifiable ties to the Bush administration. Go check it out.

Speechless.

 

[All Vol!]

Democracy refers to people ruling, in particular -- the concept of majority rule. It is not synonymous with free speech.

you're being difficult; you're trying too hard to disagree. In all practicality, democracy is a term whose meaning, in theory and in practice, includes the inalienable rights of free peoples. I mean, c'mon! :shakehead:

 

[All Vol!]

Speechless.

Don't be speechless..that's no fun...just go check it out.

 

[MG1968]

Popular Mechanics is about as close to a government publication as it gets. Proprietor and Chairman of the Board, George R. Hearst, is the grandson of William Hearst, the father of yellow-journalism. A number of those currently on its board of directors have close and easily verifiable ties to the Bush administration. Go check it out.

nothing like shooting the messenger, eh? I suppose your sources are unimpeachable arbiters of fairness, tolerance and transparency? :think_not:

 

[All Vol!]

nothing like shooting the messenger, eh? I suppose your sources are unimpeachable arbiters of fairness, tolerance and transparency? :think_not:

again, I am in pursuit of the truth; I feel I am fair in digesting the views of others, and no amount of "disbelief" on the part of anyone regarding my opinions will sway me.

The congressional re-opening of the 9/11 investigation, an item on Nancy Pelosi's agenda, should be interesting.

 

[allvol123]

again, I am in pursuit of the truth; I feel I am fair in digesting the views of others, and no amount of "disbelief" on the part of anyone regarding my opinions will sway me.

The congressional re-opening of the 9/11 investigation, an item on Nancy Pelosi's agenda, should be interesting.

No you aren't. You disregard something like the Popular Mechanics article based on some distant meaningless connection bewteen Hearst and Bush people. You are anything but fair and open minded. You have an agenda and a view set in stone.

 

[MG1968]

now, if you'll notice, using the quote feature did the same thing to you when quoting my post. It attributed my comment to you.

 

[All Vol!]

now, if you'll notice, using the quote feature did the same thing to you when quoting my post. It attributed my comment to you.

might be something we need to report to Vol_Freak...a glitch?

I can see where you might not want those words attributed to you...:lolabove:

 

[All Vol!]

No you aren't. You disregard something like the Popular Mechanics article based on some distant meaningless connection bewteen Hearst and Bush people. You are anything but fair and open minded. You have an agenda and a view set in stone.[/

thanks for your post.

 

[MG1968]

I think it's doing it when you quote a post with a quote already in it.

 

[volinbham]

you're being difficult; you're trying too hard to disagree. In all practicality, democracy is a term whose meaning, in theory and in practice, includes the inalienable rights of free peoples. I mean, c'mon! :shakehead:

You are the one that tried to parse my words. In the purest sense, democracy simply means that the people all have an equal say (vote). It comes in many forms. There are clear instances where freedom of speech is not uniform in our own country. These are cases where our democratic republic has concluded that the rights of individuals do not outweigh the rights of the collective.


The first amendment is where the right to free speech comes from - it was not an inherent component of a democratic republic - accordingly, it was a right specifically spelled out.

 

[All Vol!]

You are the one that tried to parse my words. In the purest sense, democracy simply means that the people all have an equal say (vote). It comes in many forms. There are clear instances where freedom of speech is not uniform in our own country. These are cases where our democratic republic has concluded that the rights of individuals do not outweigh the rights of the collective.


The first amendment is where the right to free speech comes from - it was not an inherent component of a democratic republic - accordingly, it was a right specifically spelled out.

the first amendment is good enough for me. Having said that, I like your post. You're a good speaker, and I appreciate having a dialogue with you. :salute: