Taking Chances.

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This will be my first thread. It will not be a habit. I have been looking for this topic. But have not found it.

In my 17 years of a football fan(I am 27) the teams with coaches that TAKE THE MOST CHANCES/RISKS succeed more, faster, and have the biggest fan bases. Ultimately these teams/coaches are more exciting to watch. They usually become legends, whether it be High School, College or Pro.

So what's your opinion?
This is not a complaint thread about our Big Orange program/ or coaching staff. There's already to many to keep up with.

So am I right? Or do more conservative coaches dominate more often?

What's your thoughts?
Thanks , VFL
GO VOLS!
 
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Here's the thing about taking chances.

Taking chances/failing to do so states your confidence in your team.

Today, with 47 seconds left in regulation, Dooley failed to take a chance. The message sent was that he didn't have confidence in his offense that had already put up 500 yards. No wonder Bray was ticked. You would be too if your coach thought it'd be better to go to overtime than to trust you to get a few yards.

Yeah, the fake field goal was a good call. But it was a call that may have not even been needed if he would have simply taken a risk in the 4th quarter.

That call (or lack thereof), was what sealed it for me. I was already against Dooley, but his lack of competence when he has 47 seconds and two timeouts, and refuses to turn his explosive offense loose just bewildered me.
 
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Here's the thing about taking chances.

Taking chances/failing to do so states your confidence in your team.

Today, with 47 seconds left in regulation, Dooley failed to take a chance. The message sent was that he didn't have confidence in his offense that had already put up 500 yards. No wonder Bray was ticked. You would be too if your coach thought it'd be better to go to overtime than to trust you to get a few yards.

Yeah, the fake field goal was a good call. But it was a call that may have not even been needed if he would have simply taken a risk in the 4th quarter.

That call (or lack thereof), was what sealed it for me. I was already against Dooley, but his lack of competence when he has 47 seconds and two timeouts, and refuses to turn his explosive offense loose just bewildered me.

When the clock starting winding down I was so mad at Dooley I couldn't see straight.
 
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I wouldn't call it "taking chances". Good coaches know their team and puts their players in situations for them to succeed.
 
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When the clock starting winding down I was so mad at Dooley I couldn't see straight.

Trust me, if you were at the game, you've never heard boo's so loud.

It's a good thing Dooley didn't have his crutches...someone would have taken one and beat him with it.
 
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Yeah but look how many times we have been got at 4th downs. Just watching NCAA football I see teams making incredible drives that should have never happened by throwing on 4th and 1, fake punts, onside kicks, fake fg, throw Hail Marys on 3rd and short. Thinking to myself, Dooley would never even try that!
 
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Yeah but look how many times we have been got at 4th downs. Just watching NCAA football I see teams making incredible drives that should have never happened by throwing on 4th and 1, fake punts, onside kicks, fake fg, throw Hail Marys on 3rd and short. Thinking to myself, Dooley would never even try that!

Yea, I think Dooley has proved that he doesn't know when or when not to take a chance, or as someone else said - know his team and put them in positions to win/succeed.
 
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Yeah but look how many times we have been got at 4th downs. Just watching NCAA football I see teams making incredible drives that should have never happened by throwing on 4th and 1, fake punts, onside kicks, fake fg, throw Hail Marys on 3rd and short. Thinking to myself, Dooley would never even try that!

Actually, throughout his tenure, Dooley has had balls a few times. There's been a few fake punts and onside kicks.

However, Dooley does not know when to hold them, and when to fold them.

He holds his team back when he needs to turn them loose, and he lets them get crazy when they need to be restrained.

He takes risks, just not at the right time. The fake field goal today will be erased by his poor clock management.
 
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There's an interesting article out there regarding Chip Kelly and Les Miles' infamous gambles. I read it on yahoo sports I think it basically talked about how they aren't gambling at all but using simple math. I think it was like something along the lines of 4 and 5 or less yardage you have an 80% chance of converting.
 
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Actually, throughout his tenure, Dooley has had balls a few times. There's been a few fake punts and onside kicks.

However, Dooley does not know when to hold them, and when to fold them.

He holds his team back when he needs to turn them loose, and he lets them get crazy when they need to be restrained.

He takes risks, just not at the right time. The fake field goal today will be erased by his poor clock management.

He takes risks every time he sends too many, or not enough players, on the field. ie... every game. I'd call him a risk taker.
 
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There's an interesting article out there regarding Chip Kelly and Les Miles' infamous gambles. I read it on yahoo sports I think it basically talked about how they aren't gambling at all but using simple math. I think it was like something along the lines of 4 and 5 or less yardage you have an 80% chance of converting.


That's exactly right, it's playing the odds and KNOWING exactly what the odds are in every situation based on statistics and knowing your O and D and FG kicker very well to quickly decide what the odds of success or failure are in certain situations.

Exactly the same with the best poker players because they KNOW the odds of hitting or missing what they have in every hand so they know when to hold them and when to fold them.

Here's what CDD was thinking at the very end of the game...

Bray has a well known history at the end of games of trying too hard and forcing the situation and throwing a INT more often than he makes the big plays to Win the game right at the end....ODDS were way in favor of Bray throwing a INT so CDD let the clock run out thinking that the odds were much better that we could outscore Mizzou in the OT periods.

I HATED to see CDD do that but I also understand the odds against Bray and the odds against us making a critical FG kick right at the end of the game from what could have been a longer distance than we would have had in OT.

Based on all the known facts the odds did favor us to Win in OT.

If Bray had thrown a INT and Mizzou got a decent run back then They would probably have 30 seconds to move the ball with their passing game and kick the FG to Win right at the end of the game.

I absolutely HATED seeing CDD run the clock out but I do understand the odds against us and why he did that.

The really BAD part of running the clock out and going to OT is that it gave all the momentum to Mizzou and it sent a message to Bray and our O players that CDD didn't have faith and belief in them to get it done with 40 seconds left.

It also sent a message to our FG kicking team that CDD didn't have faith and belief in those 3 guys to execute and make a FG at the end of the game.

Those bad messages of no faith in our O and our FG team took away alot of the confidence in those players and put some amount of doubt in their minds.

The other side of the coin is that doing that should have also sent a good message to our Defense players that CDD had solid faith in them to stop Mizzou from scoring a TD and holding them to only a FG in the OT periods where they started at the 25 yard line.

If I was running things I would have called a timeout, called all the O and FG players over and told them I had total faith in them to go get the Win at the end of the game and told Bray to take zero chances of throwing a INT that might let Mizzou get a shot at a FG and that if we had to go to OT that would be just fine so there was no pressure on him to try and make a miracle throw and that going to OT was just like throwing the ball away rather than to throw a INT.

I hated seeing CDD run the clock out but I do understand why he played the odds the way he did it.

The fake FG play took alot of courage and our boys executed it perfectly for the TD and it's sad that it ended with a loss for my Vols.

I'm so sick of being so damn close and still losing that I could puke.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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I wouldn't call it taking a chance, it's more like an opportunity.

I am completely baffled by the end of regulation and by the play calling.

If we run the ball more in the second half we win. It is really that simple.

I don not agree with this kind of philosophy on offense. A run game and ball control with a good defense is the key to winning football.
 
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This will be my first thread. It will not be a habit. I have been looking for this topic. But have not found it.

In my 17 years of a football fan(I am 27) the teams with coaches that TAKE THE MOST CHANCES/RISKS succeed more, faster, and have the biggest fan bases. Ultimately these teams/coaches are more exciting to watch. They usually become legends, whether it be High School, College or Pro.

So what's your opinion?
This is not a complaint thread about our Big Orange program/ or coaching staff. There's already to many to keep up with.

So am I right? Or do more conservative coaches dominate more often?

What's your thoughts?
Thanks , VFL
GO VOLS!

Taking chances is how Bobby Bowden built FSU into the national powerhouse we know for 20+ years.
 
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Here's the thing about taking chances.

Taking chances/failing to do so states your confidence in your team.

Today, with 47 seconds left in regulation, Dooley failed to take a chance. The message sent was that he didn't have confidence in his offense that had already put up 500 yards. No wonder Bray was ticked. You would be too if your coach thought it'd be better to go to overtime than to trust you to get a few yards.

Yeah, the fake field goal was a good call. But it was a call that may have not even been needed if he would have simply taken a risk in the 4th quarter.

That call (or lack thereof), was what sealed it for me. I was already against Dooley, but his lack of competence when he has 47 seconds and two timeouts, and refuses to turn his explosive offense loose just bewildered me.

Something else I am surprised no one is talking about; If we had a decent field goal kicker there is no overtime, we win by 3.
 
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Something else I am surprised no one is talking about; If we had a decent field goal kicker there is no overtime, we win by 3.

There were so many what if's about that game.

If we don't fumble on the first drive, it's 7-0.

If we have decent special teams coverage, it's 21-0 end of first half.

If we could make halftime adjustments, they wouldn't have scored to begin with.

If Maggitt doesn't get hurt, then we could have limited Franklin more in the pocket.

If Palardy doesn't miss the field goal, we're up by three.

If we go for it on the 4th and 3, we don't give the ball back to them to score (most likely)

If we don't call two retarded plays with 47 seconds left, let the clock run, and instead organized a nice drive, using our two timeouts and our talented offense, then we MIGHT could have kicked the field goal or got a touchdown.

If Justin Coleman doesn't completely lose the ball on the play that got them down to about the 6 yard line, we could have gotten a stop.

If we could actually play defense, we could have gotten several stops instead of letting them convert on third and fourth downs.

If Dooley has a brain, we win.
 
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This will be my first thread. It will not be a habit. I have been looking for this topic. But have not found it.

In my 17 years of a football fan(I am 27) the teams with coaches that TAKE THE MOST CHANCES/RISKS succeed more, faster, and have the biggest fan bases. Ultimately these teams/coaches are more exciting to watch. They usually become legends, whether it be High School, College or Pro.

So what's your opinion?
This is not a complaint thread about our Big Orange program/ or coaching staff. There's already to many to keep up with.

So am I right? Or do more conservative coaches dominate more often?

What's your thoughts?
Thanks , VFL
GO VOLS!

Dumbest call all year not going for the win at the end of the game. We have one of the best offenses in the country & 2 time outs & we quit. UNREAL!!!
 
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The fake field goal was great! Was that Dooley's idea or the special teams coach's idea????/

Regardless of if that was Dooley's decision or not, We shouldn't have been in that position in the first place - which is Dooley's fault.
 

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