Talent

[LocoVol]

Please stop with the idiotic argument that S Alabama had more or as much talent as UT. They don't. We should have beat them big time on talent alone. We don't have top SEC talent but we are far ahead of S Alabama and the other cup cakes we play.

8 total 3* athletes in four years
S Alabama
2009
2 3*
17 2*
Rest of class not rated

S Alabama
2010
1 3*
5 2*
Rest not rated

S Alabama
2011
2 3*
21 2*
Rest not rated

S Alabama
2012
3 3*
25 2*
Rest not rated

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Im not calling for Jones head but if we are gonna make excuses for getting out schemed use some that apply. I think Jones will do great but there is a reason our Dc was run off from the GA before. He may not be the answer. Oc I'll cut some slack till we get a qb but if we keep spinning the wheels on Worley and refuse to play a freshman then that's on the the staff.

 

[lovavol]

Don't be a star gazer....butch will prevail....let him recruit and he will turn it around....rebuilding

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Don't be a star gazer....butch will prevail....let him recruit and he will turn it around....rebuilding

Our best recruiters are the guys that half the posters want fired.

 

[cyclonevol87]

I thought it was lack of debth.(sarcasm)

 

[deaconkane]

Our best recruiters are the guys that half the posters want fired.

Dont matter if they get outcoached. S Alabama staff outcoached us. No excuse...

 

[Obsessed]

Dont matter if they get outcoached. S Alabama staff outcoached us. No excuse...

Yep. You can have all the mannings in the world. But if you can't coach them,what good does it do

 

[LocoVol]

Don't be a star gazer....butch will prevail....let him recruit and he will turn it around....rebuilding

I have faith in butch but if your trying to say they are even close to us in talent I got some ocean front property in Tennessee I want to sell you.

 

[Backwards K]

South Alabama had a competitor at quarterback who was athletic enough to make plays with his feet and accurate enough to make some tough throws. That evened out a lot of the talent disparity.

 

[d3vols]

Butch went 4-8 his first season at Cincy AFTER Kelly left....He's going to get his "talent" to come to UT that fit his system and things will be ok

 

[robvol]

I have faith in butch but if your trying to say they are even close to us in talent I got some ocean front property in Tennessee I want to sell you.

Was USA's two qb's better than UT's??

 

[UTK]

We have talent. But poisoned talent. They have Dooley stink on them.

 

[deaconkane]

Butch went 4-8 his first season at Cincy AFTER Kelly left....He's going to get his "talent" to come to UT that fit his system and things will be ok

He wasnt coaching against saban, richt, spurrier, miles or sumlin...

 

[05_never_again]

I have faith in butch but if your trying to say they are even close to us in talent I got some ocean front property in Tennessee I want to sell you.

They aren't what I'd call "close." However, the gap is closer than most Tennessee fans would want to admit.

South Alabama is as far away from Tennessee in terms of talent as Tennessee is away from Alabama. IMO.

 

[oregonvol]

Was USA's two qb's better than UT's??

They were better coached, that's for sure.

 

[LocoVol]

Was USA's two qb's better than UT's??

Better than Worley but we have no idea if he was better than the other two. If one player made up for all the talent disparity and we couldn't adjust to ONE player that reflects worse on the staff.

 

[deaconkane]

They aren't what I'd call "close." However, the gap is closer than most Tennessee fans would want to admit.

South Alabama is as far away from Tennessee in terms of talent as Tennessee is away from Alabama. IMO.

We have an average of 0* talent? Or 1*?

 

[05_never_again]

They were better coached, that's for sure.

What's funny is that Worley has considerably more talent than Metheny. The difference is that Metheny actually knows what he can do and knows the offense he operates in.

 

[1985Vols]

Dont matter if they get outcoached. S Alabama staff outcoached us. No excuse...

How good would our offense be with their ( south AL) QB?

 

[05_never_again]

We have an average of 0* talent? Or 1*?

I don't care about star ratings. Just look at how both teams played the game today. Tennessee is quite a bit more talented, but don't kid yourself and think that Tennessee has upper echelon SEC talent across the roster. It doesn't.

 

[oregonvol]

Butch went 4-8 his first season at Cincy AFTER Kelly left....He's going to get his "talent" to come to UT that fit his system and things will be ok

People who keep repeating this seem to think it's a good thing. It's pretty pathetic that he went 4-8 in one season at Cincinatti, especially taking over a team that went undefeated the year before.

When Butch was hired, I think most of us tried to overlook it as the exception, but when you keep repeating it and using it as an excuse, it starts to look like the rule and you have to ask yourself, "Were any of Butch's teams at Cincinatti as good as the team was before he got there?", and if not, what makes us think he can do any major rebuilding this time around?

 

[05_never_again]

People who keep repeating this seem to think it's a good thing. It's pretty pathetic that he went 4-8 in one season at Cincinatti, especially taking over a team that went undefeated the year before.

When Butch was hired, I think most of us tried to overlook it as the exception, but when you keep repeating it and using it as an excuse, it starts to look like the rule and you have to ask yourself, "Were any of Butch's teams at Cincinatti as good as the team was before he got there?", and if not, what makes us think he can do any major rebuilding this time around?

He took over a non-traditional power whose entire coaching staff had just left, along with a boatload of seniors. They went 4-8 that first year followed by 10-3 and 9-3 (he didn't coach the bowl game, which they won). I don't think that's too bad.

 

[deaconkane]

I don't care about star ratings. Just look at how both teams played the game today. Tennessee is quite a bit more talented, but don't kid yourself and think that Tennessee has upper echelon SEC talent across the roster. It doesn't.

Never said that. Ever. I just dont see GOOD coaching. Not asking for great coaching or miracles. We should have our 2nd string in by halftime against a team such as this. JMHO...

 

[LocoVol]

A coach is only as good as the people around him. At the SEC level this may be what holds Butch back in the long run. Our dc hopefully has learned since his last turn in the SEC. Oc with a good qb may be alright..

 

[oregonvol]

I don't care about star ratings. Just look at how both teams played the game today. Tennessee is quite a bit more talented, but don't kid yourself and think that Tennessee has upper echelon SEC talent across the roster. It doesn't.

You shouldn't need upper echelon SEC talent to dominate S. Alabama. Hell, you don't even need it to keep games close with the best teams, just look at what Franklin did in his first year. Even now, Franklin hardly has upper echelon SEC talent, and his team plays just about everyone tough.

We look inept. That can't just be the talent. At some point our highly paid coaches need to have some accountability.

 

[05_never_again]

Never said that. Ever. I just dont see GOOD coaching. Not asking for great coaching or miracles. We should have our 2nd string in by halftime against a team such as this. JMHO...

I actually do see better coaching on the defensive side of the ball relative to last year.

Butch's problem is that he has no QB (and he knows this; that's why he didn't name a QB until a couple of weeks before the season started), mediocre-at-best RBs, limited weapons at WR, and a soft, underachieving offensive line.

The LBs and DBs lack speed and defensive instincts - this is painfully obvious against good competition.