TDD: NC State

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#2
Good read.

Let the players play CCM. Turn them loose. Start pressing from the tip, stop settling for 3's, and mix up your defensive sets.

Stop being so predictable and TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT!
 
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Lefteye said:
Good read.

Let the players play CCM. Turn them loose. Start pressing from the tip, stop settling for 3's, and mix up your defensive sets.

Stop being so predictable and TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT!
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Should the rotation see some changes? I was personally never sold on Edwards, Reese or Q but maybe they can add something.
 
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FTCvol said:
Should the rotation see some changes? I was personally never sold on Edwards, Reese or Q but maybe they can add something.
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If they started pressing more, I could see a couple of those guys getting more minutes. Guys would need more breathers playing a full court game as opposed to the slow half court game where VN could play 30 min +.
 
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Lefteye said:
Good read.

Let the players play CCM. Turn them loose. Start pressing from the tip, stop settling for 3's, and mix up your defensive sets.

Stop being so predictable and TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT!
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Thanks for the read. And yes, the guys needs something to jar them. Coming out flat repeatedly indicates some complacency, I think.

FTCvol said:
Should the rotation see some changes? I was personally never sold on Edwards, Reese or Q but maybe they can add something.
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Maybe they can provide some energy or spark. But whose minutes do they take? The freshman need to continue to play.
 
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You can't just start pressing all game when you haven't been concentrating on that in fall practice.
 
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k-town_king said:
You can't just start pressing all game when you haven't been concentrating on that in fall practice.
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lol, maybe you and CCM can't. But if I keep doing the same thing, getting the same results, and continue to do the same thing I will either check myself into some kind of clinic or make a change.

btw, who said ALL game. My previous post clearly said mixing defensive sets. But the press has been our most effective defensive set.
 
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NickCarner said:
I think his point was that CCM needs to change things up in some capacity. Throw a curveball in there, somewhere, occasionally.
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I do think we need to push the tempo more to get easy looks. I'm just responding to the ones that think you can make a major change like that mid season. We also need more Thompson running point and less J Rich shooting.

Also to people that keep saying play like Bruce. He didn't hardly press his last couple of years at all. In all likelihood he wouldn't have pressed with this team either.
 
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Lefteye said:
lol, maybe you and CCM can't. But if I keep doing the same thing, getting the same results, and continue to do the same thing I will either check myself into some kind of clinic or make a change.

btw, who said ALL game. My previous post clearly said mixing defensive sets. But the press has been our most effective defensive set.
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You said press from the tip. You can't do that unless you have been practicing it. Do you think our big men can handle pressing all game or most? We would get killed in the press. We don't have the speed or length to press good teams.
 
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k-town_king said:
You said press from the tip. You can't do that unless you have been practicing it. Do you think our big men can handle pressing all game or most? We would get killed in the press. We don't have the speed or length to press good teams.
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From the tip and ALL game are different. Especially when the post said mixing in defensive sets.

lol at not having the length to be effective in the press. We have some of the longest guards in the biz.

Also lol at not been practicing the press. We maybe aren't conditioned for it, but if they haven't been practicing their press, then our coaching deficiency is worse than we thought.
 
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Lefteye said:
From the tip and ALL game are different. Especially when the post said mixing in defensive sets.

lol at not having the length to be effective in the press. We have some of the longest guards in the biz.

Also lol at not been practicing the press. We maybe aren't conditioned for it, but if they haven't been practicing their press, then our coaching deficiency is worse than we thought.
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You can't just change defensive philosophies like this is 2k. I think we need to make some adjustments on O for sure. And we may have long guards but our bigs are not suited for that style. So you think Maymon with the bad knee he can't even dunk on can press a lot? What about Stokes ? You think he has the speed and athleticism to cover the back of the press or the inbounds man? I don't . The only thing that would improve our d is a legit 6'10 or better 5 who can block shots. And yes not having one already is on CM.
 
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k-town_king said:
You can't just change defensive philosophies like this is 2k. I think we need to make some adjustments on O for sure. And we may have long guards but our bigs are not suited for that style. So you think Maymon with the bad knee he can't even dunk on can press a lot? What about Stokes ? You think he has the speed and athleticism to cover the back of the press or the inbounds man? I don't . The only thing that would improve our d is a legit 6'10 or better 5 who can block shots. And yes not having one already is on CM.
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You are right, let's not try something different what we are doing is working really well. I don't think anyone is suggesting we do it the whole game, but a press earlier would maybe get us out of our early game zombie walk.
 
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k-town_king said:
I do think we need to push the tempo more to get easy looks. I'm just responding to the ones that think you can make a major change like that mid season. We also need more Thompson running point and less J Rich shooting.

Also to people that keep saying play like Bruce. He didn't hardly press his last couple of years at all. In all likelihood he wouldn't have pressed with this team either.
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Josh only shot the ball twice last game didn't he? I don't think him shooting a lot is the issue.
 
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k-town_king said:
You can't just change defensive philosophies like this is 2k. I think we need to make some adjustments on O for sure. And we may have long guards but our bigs are not suited for that style. So you think Maymon with the bad knee he can't even dunk on can press a lot? What about Stokes ? You think he has the speed and athleticism to cover the back of the press or the inbounds man? I don't . The only thing that would improve our d is a legit 6'10 or better 5 who can block shots. And yes not having one already is on CM.
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I think pressing is something that could be effective in well-times spurts. I think you hit on something key with your last bit. There's no defensive interior presence on this team.
 
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Lefteye said:
Definitely.
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I obviously like Armani, and he's raw at best. But he's the one guy that will give 100% effort all the time, maybe that would rub off on the other guys. I'd rather lose with a guy busting his azz, over losing with no effort any day.
 
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NickCarner said:
I think pressing is something that could be effective in well-times spurts. I think you hit on something key with your last bit. There's no defensive interior presence on this team.
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No argument there. But most teams compensate for their lack of inside presence by stretching your defense or running defensive zone sets. With UT, if this happens, it doesn't take place until the 2nd half and usually down 10+ pts.
 
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BadJerry20 said:
Josh only shot the ball twice last game didn't he? I don't think him shooting a lot is the issue.
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Yep - Josh was 1 for 2
point guards were like 1 for 13
Jordan M was like 6 for 23

What is wrong with this picture people ??

Here is a hint - it isn't that Josh was shooting too much.
 
#22
#22
Some coaches forget that the word coach is a verb as well as a noun.
Anyone with the job title of coach defines the noun and can call himself Coach.
But you have to actively coach (the verb form) in order to deserve the title.
 
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Lefteye said:
No argument there. But most teams compensate for their lack of inside presence by stretching your defense or running defensive zone sets. With UT, if this happens, it doesn't take place until the 2nd half and usually down 10+ pts.
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Zone=Rubik's cube for us. Team's throw a zone at us and it's like Godzilla just ran out on the court. I do agree though, we have the length for a zone. The frustration for me lies in our inability or Zo's blatant stubbornness to try anything different. Hell it can't be worse than what we are doing already.
 
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BadJerry20 said:
Zone=Rubik's cube for us. Team's throw a zone at us and it's like Godzilla just ran out on the court. I do agree though, we have the length for a zone. The frustration for me lies in our inability or Zo's blatant stubbornness to try anything different. Hell it can't be worse than what we are doing already.
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This X 1000

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Sincerely,

CCM
 
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BadJerry20 said:
Zone=Rubik's cube for us. Team's throw a zone at us and it's like Godzilla just ran out on the court. I do agree though, we have the length for a zone. The frustration for me lies in our inability or Zo's blatant stubbornness to try anything different. Hell it can't be worse than what we are doing already.
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As far as UT operating against the zone defense, I recall when JP was here and how when teams threw a zone at us, Prince would go to one of the elbows and go to work. "Beating the Zone, 101." Send somebody to the high post and let them create from there.

I think this is somewhere Josh Richardson could do some damage at.
 
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