Tea Parties attract mistruths, exaggerations & conspiracy theories, says Fox news.

[shootermcgavin7]

The question was whether they knew what they were doing/creating was extraordinary and the answer is yes (based on what I've read)

Can you give an example of some extraordinary things they created, since most of the Dec'O'Ind and the Constitution were based on a collection of documents 2000-500 years old?

 

[utvolpj]

Can you give an example of some extraordinary things they created, since most of the Dec'O'Ind and the Constitution were based on a collection of documents 2000-500 years old?

you're probably right. Look at how many other great countries came out of those readily available documents.

Care to point me to proof every founder was a slave-owning, elitist tax dodger?

 

[BigPapaVol]

Can you give an example of some extraordinary things they created, since most of the Dec'O'Ind and the Constitution were based on a collection of documents 2000-500 years old?

They beat the king, fostered entrepreneurialism and independence and got to make a new set of rules, regardless where the ideas originated. Somebody had to be educated enough to assemble the best parts then execute.
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[shootermcgavin7]

you're probably right. Look at how many other great countries came out of those readily available documents.

Care to point me to proof every founder was a slave-owning, elitist tax dodger?

I don't mind at all. There were 55 Convention delegates, around half owned slaves (actually, I think a little less than half). Many of the non-owners (like Benny Franklin) owned slaves in the past but got rid of them. Pretty much every delegate from the South owned them.

The Constitution itself classifies a slave as 3/5 of a person for apportioning representation.

I realize that a lot of this is the result of political compromise but the founders, for the most part, were as backward as anyone else 300 years ago. You don't ask their advice on physics, motorcycle repair, or differential equations, do you?

 

[MG1968]

I don't mind at all. There were 55 Convention delegates, around half owned slaves (actually, I think a little less than half). Many of the non-owners (like Benny Franklin) owned slaves in the past but got rid of them. Pretty much every delegate from the South owned them.

The Constitution itself classifies a slave as 3/5 of a person for apportioning representation.

I realize that a lot of this is the result of political compromise but the founders, for the most part, were as backward as anyone else 300 years ago. You don't ask their advice on physics, motorcycle repair, or differential equations, do you?

no, but on the same token, I don't look to physicists, motorcycle mechanics and math teachers to found a country.

 

[shootermcgavin7]

no, but on the same token, I don't look to physicists, motorcycle mechanics and math teachers to found a country.

Fair enough. We'll stick with plantation farmers and eccentric kite-fliers.

 

[MG1968]

Fair enough. We'll stick with plantation farmers and eccentric kite-fliers.

whoever they were, the USA and it's Constitution has proven themselves pretty durable. Whether you care for the Founders or not, what they did has turned out to be something extraordinary.

 

[shootermcgavin7]

whoever they were, the USA and it's Constitution has proven themselves pretty durable. Whether you care for the Founders or not, what they did has turned out to be something extraordinary.

What they did was copy a bunch of Republics that, in the aggregate, lasted a lot longer than ours likely will.

I won't be impressed until we hit the 600-700 year mark....but forgive my pessimism. I'll be dead by that point anyway.

 

[Nash270]

I love the irony in the name. The boston tea party did have to do with taxes, but the primary issue at the time was a tax cut for one of the largest company in the world, The East India Company. What pissed some of the founding fathers off was not as much our tax rates, but that the large british companies were getting tax breaks. Before anyone accuses me of rewriting history, or some left-wing bias i suggested researching the story.

 

[BigPapaVol]

What they did was copy a bunch of Republics that, in the aggregate, lasted a lot longer than ours likely will.

I won't be impressed until we hit the 600-700 year mark....but forgive my pessimism. I'll be dead by that point anyway.

Great civilization timelines are going to continue to compress and the level of dominance continue to wane. It's not about the quality of our founding docs.
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[volinbham]

What I've learned from this thread; the Founders were racist, elitists who were not particularly good at physics or mathematics but made up for it by being skilled plagiarists.

 

[JTrainDavis]

What I've learned from this thread; the Founders were racist, elitists who were not particularly good at physics or mathematics but made up for it by being skilled plagiarists.

There is a bloc that would seem to believe that is the case. Unbelievable.
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[shootermcgavin7]

What I've learned from this thread; the Founders were racist, elitists who were not particularly good at physics or mathematics but made up for it by being skilled plagiarists.

Some of them were talented at flying kites, also.

You make it sound so negative. Being a skilled plagiarist will take one far; if I recall, MLK plagiarized his dissertation.

 

[MG1968]

What I've learned from this thread; the Founders were racist, elitists who were not particularly good at physics or mathematics but made up for it by being skilled plagiarists.

don't forget that they weren't all that hot at motorcycle repair either.