Tea party candidate for NY governor's race gaining ground

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CSpindizzy said:
Does that muck up the survival of the fittest argument?

I'd rather high schoolers who can't do math, science, English, etc. learning other topics unrelated to those fields. That was sarcasm for the ones not able to catch that. And this goes across the board to all of the warm, fuzzies being taught in school. I know this is straying off course but an opening on education brought me into this. If we spent as much time on the basics as we did these lessons in 'tolerance' and other forms of ideology we might not be witnessing a decline in our standards compared to other nations.
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At some point in my life I hope to be able to understand the logic of someone who believes in evolution and government welfare.
 
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joevol320 said:
ironicly it's the fact that there is no religion (specifically Christianity) being taught in government schools that has gotten our schools where they are today.

oh but environmentalism is a religion, many schools are encouraging islamic teachings, but i'm sure you are you socialist comrads have no problems with that.
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the fact you call me a socialist tells me your discussion of what happens in 7th or 8th grade is pure speculation
 
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This morning polls say he is 14 points behind. But, with the motivation factor for the far right this year, you never know. It might be a whole lot closer than that in the actual results.

I realize there is a real anti-incumbency feeling out there and that all candidates are painting themselves as average American outisders to the political system. But you wonder how the Senate could run as an institution if guys like this, O'Donnell, and others, were to all get elected. Just be a bunch of malcontents runing around screeching about this and that and nothing would get done.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Just be a bunch of malcontents runing around screeching about this and that and nothing would get done.
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you act like anything worthwhile is getting done now. They voted to limit volume on commercials but couldn't tell us what our taxes will be in 3 months. A new group can't do any worse
 
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lawgator1 said:
But you wonder how the Senate could run as an institution if guys like this, O'Donnell, and others, were to all get elected. Just be a bunch of malcontents runing around screeching about this and that and nothing would get done.
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please tell me this is sarcasm.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This morning polls say he is 14 points behind. But, with the motivation factor for the far right this year, you never know. It might be a whole lot closer than that in the actual results.

I realize there is a real anti-incumbency feeling out there and that all candidates are painting themselves as average American outisders to the political system. But you wonder how the Senate could run as an institution if guys like this, O'Donnell, and others, were to all get elected. Just be a bunch of malcontents runing around screeching about this and that and nothing would get done.
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And this is different from what is going on in DC currently how?
 
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I hope it's sarcasm. I mean since so much gets done now. You've had slurred speech drunks like Kennedy, nodding off back from the dead types like Byrd, and glazed over ranters like Bauchus in there.

I just wish Vermont would complete their delegation with this guy: YouTube - Howard Dean's Scream
 
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A ton gets done we never hear about because its boring authorizations and land-use stuff that they just churn through. The media only reports on the 3 or 4 big votes a year, but there's plenty going on constantly.

Some of these folks seem to be running purely as a platform to complain about ideological discontent with the establishment and that's fine. There's always plenty of folks like that out there. But this year you've got a number that are poised to win and when they get there they can;t just go around making speeches about how corrupt everything is.

They will actually have to do something and I think some of them just don;t care about that part of it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
A ton gets done we never hear about because its boring authorizations and land-use stuff that they just churn through.
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which is why political ads that claim politician x's habit of voting with the President 98% of the time are bogus.

as for electing politicians who do nothing but screech, Alan Grayson, Anthony Weiner, and Cynthia McKinney come to mind.
 
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droski said:
so in your opinion congress currently runs efficiently? just clarifying. . .
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No, no, of course not. I'm just saying that some of the inefficiency has become systemitized and serves some useful purposes if you believe in incrementalism.

Some of the folks running (and this is true on both sides of the aisle albeit quite a bit more from the right this year given the political landscape) don't believe in incrementalism. Or at least they say they don't.

They want to come in and rip up social spending, cut education, neuter the unions, etc. They are going to find when they get there, though, that its a heckuva lot more complicated than that and that giving speeches whining about the status quo is a ploy, not a device that results in actual policy.
 
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MG1968 said:
which is why political ads that claim politician x's habit of voting with the President 98% of the time are bogus.

as for electing politicians who do nothing but screech, Alan Grayson, Anthony Weiner, and Cynthia McKinney come to mind.
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I don't disagree with you at all, but you see how totally powerless they are in the day to day operations.

Now imagine a bunch of them from the right but in the Senate and happy to take the floor to denounce the socialist president but a clue as to how to actually change or create policy or legislation.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't disagree with you at all, but you see how totally powerless they are in the day to day operations.

Now imagine a bunch of them from the right but in the Senate and happy to take the floor to denounce the socialist president but a clue as to how to actually change or create policy or legislation.
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this is ludicrous. The idiotic grandstanders that actually win the elections have nothing to do with the day to day operations of the Senate. Their bloated and overpaid staffs do the work and they often retread at least the smart ones.
 
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I think unions have neutered themselves. Just look at the membership decline over the decades.
 
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which is why they so desperately want the Pelosi/Reid controlled Congress to pass Card Check legislation.
 
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So...we definitely got off track, but what else is new.

Paladino is an idiot and even though I'm a registered republican in Guilford County, North Carolina, I would still vote against this bigoted, paranoid, insensitive fool.

And the nerve that he had to say this a day after 7 gang members were arrested in the very same borough for a hate crime attack on 3 homosexuals only reinforces the fact that he is just plain ignorant, and there just isn't any more room for that kind in the Capitol Building.
 
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joevol320 said:
he's not saying that. he's say the education system shouldn't teach that a man taking is up the a$$ by another man is normal and should be promoted.

now if you want to explain that to your kids on your own that's fine but. but it shouldn't be pushed on kids in government schools.
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Can you show me where this has ever happened in the history of US Education?
 
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You do know there is a difference between what he said and what was actually in the speech on paper prepared by a staffer correct?

And the nerve? Do we need a sensitivity police telling us where the fine line is on what we can publicly say as our beliefs and what events may happen? If you want to go after and kick out the "insensitive" you better take a large broom. The current Senate Majority leader comes out saying the war in Iraq is lost at the same time men and women in uniform were turning the tide in the insurgency attacks.

As long as we're on it, let us discuss hate crimes...the notion in itself is a crime. Someone is attacked and their rights are infringed. Punish the criminal based on the criminal act. But suddenly people of certain 'categories' are given a higher value that if the attack is against them for a certain reason the crime is greater? Let's just throw "equal rights" out the door. Makes perfect sense.
 
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I read the excerpts of the prepared statement distributed to the freaking press beforehand. Just because it doesn't spew from his pathetic mouth doesn't mean he doesn't believe it and promote it like our old friend joevol from Jeff Co.

And so you don't believe in the notion of a hate crime, where a person is singled out when they otherwise wouldn't be simply because their beliefs are different from yours? Intent is always measured by the law whether or not you think it's right, and these people never would have been harmed had they not been different.

People have to be held accountable, not only for their actions, but for their unacceptable reasons for it. These criminals can feel any way they want to, but it's also the law's job to rehabilitate them so that next time they will think twice before acting on it.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
And the nerve? Do we need a sensitivity police telling us where the fine line is on what we can publicly say as our beliefs and what events may happen? If you want to go after and kick out the "insensitive" you better take a large broom. The current Senate Majority leader comes out saying the war in Iraq is lost at the same time men and women in uniform were turning the tide in the insurgency attacks.
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I don't care what someone believes or says normally, but if they're a politician I expect them to have some tact while making important decisions that affect my life. They should be smart enough to hold their tongue and make their important belief heard on a more appropriate platform. And your Senate Majority leader example only enhances my point.

Did you really think you'd be convincing me with that? I told you I'm a republican. But just because I'm not a bigot doesn't make me a Dem.
 
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