Tea Party takes Ohio

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#29
not sure if anyone has seen this trend or not but the Tea Party is taking a different way of advancing themself as a 3rd party alternative better than any other attempts. We see all the RP people clamoring on how we need a true Libertarian candidate yet if he were elected he'd be one of a spec of elected Libertarians elected in our country, if that many. They want to start at the top and hope it works out. The Tea Party has done the opposite by starting at the bottom - the city, county, and even state level- and is working its way up. Now we're starting to see defeats in both the Dem as well as the Rep. Like them or not they are using a better way of progressing their agenda.
 
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GreveHaller said:
not sure if anyone has seen this trend or not but the Tea Party is taking a different way of advancing themself as a 3rd party alternative better than any other attempts. We see all the RP people clamoring on how we need a true Libertarian candidate yet if he were elected he'd be one of a spec of elected Libertarians elected in our country, if that many. They want to start at the top and hope it works out. The Tea Party has done the opposite by starting at the bottom - the city, county, and even state level- and is working its way up. Now we're starting to see defeats in both the Dem as well as the Rep. Like them or not they are using a better way of progressing their agenda.
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The tea party is not trying to be a "third party" at all. The GOP has moved way right in the last few years (almost in an attempt to catch up with the Democratic Party moving so far to the Left).

We need to move away from our two party system towards a more European multiparty system.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
The tea party is not trying to be a "third party" at all. The GOP has moved way right in the last few years (almost in an attempt to catch up with the Democratic Party moving so far to the Left).

We need to move away from our two party system towards a more European multiparty system.
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Hold up.

The Political Science department at Georgia took a good empirical look at this not too long ago.

Both parties have moved away from center, but the shift started with the GOP and has moved harder in that respective direction. The moderate faction of the Republican party is dwindling.

An Update on Political Polarization (through 2011)

Some of the hardest right Republicans in 1980 would now be labeled RINOs. There are still a number of conservative Dems out there, and while there has been a general shift to the left, it hasn't happened to nearly the same scale.
 
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milohimself said:
Hold up.

The Political Science department at Georgia took a good empirical look at this not too long ago.

Both parties have moved away from center, but the shift started with the GOP and has moved harder in that respective direction. The moderate faction of the Republican party is dwindling.

An Update on Political Polarization (through 2011)

Some of the hardest right Republicans in 1980 would now be labeled RINOs. There are still a number of conservative Dems out there, and while there has been a general shift to the left, it hasn't happened to nearly the same scale.
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Eh, those statistics are always subjective to a certain extent and only relative to one another (Congress members) and does not account for the relative change from one house to another house over time.

There is no doubt that over the last few years the GOP has been driven more to the right and in a shorter amount of time than we have seen from a political party in a long time.

However, for a long time, the GOP was quite moderate compared to the Democratic Party. The old Southern Democrats are pretty much nonexistent and have been for many years. The previous disparity within the respective parties makes the recent GOP seem even more dramatic (it is fairly pronounced to begin with). This recent shift still does not make the GOP more "right" than the Democratic Party is "left"; although that gap has dissolved quite a bit in 2010.
 
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Click the link explaining how they quantified it, it's not some quick stat they just whipped up. There is an established center line to quantify position relative to time as well as relative between members. There was a fair leftward shift from the disappearance of the southern Democrats. There are still a few dozen sitting blue dogs, though, and they outnumber current moderates in the GOP, who would have been much closer to the hard right with Reagan's Republicans.
 
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milohimself said:
Click the link explaining how they quantified it, it's not some quick stat they just whipped up. There is an established center line to quantify position relative to time as well as relative between members.
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I read how they did it. I don't think it is possible to quantify "centerness" over time; at least not in a way that I would ever find acceptable.

milohimself said:
There was a fair leftward shift from the disappearance of the southern Democrats. There are still a few dozen sitting blue dogs, though, and they outnumber current moderates in the GOP, who would have been much closer to the hard right with Reagan's Republicans.
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Again, this is relative. Depends on how a person defines "center". I imagine your center is left of my center.
 
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