Tebow finished

#102
#102
I will never understand why he is so stubborn about playing qb. Coulda had a good career as a te or hb. I think the pats brought him in hoping he would change positions.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
I'm not arguing. Just presenting facts. You can't argue facts
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Of course; so the facts are he won A playoff game, and he's 9-7 as a starter.

Other facts, he had the lowest passer rating in the NFL in his 1 season as a starter, and 3 teams have now shown him the door.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I think so. I guarantee 80% of 3rd string QBs could not go 9-7. Tebow is better than a lot of them. Coaches don't want the baggage.
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Not hard to guarantee something that can't be proven.

Bottom line, if coaches thought he would be good enough to take over the offense, they'd sign him.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I think so. I guarantee 80% of 3rd string QBs could not go 9-7. Tebow is better than a lot of them. Coaches don't want the baggage.
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If they were on a team with a defense and a running game that could win NFL games despite getting only two passing completions, they might.

Tebow "won" three games for Denver with fewer than 10 completions in 2011. "He went 9-7" as a starter is as useless as a baseball pitcher's W/L record.
 
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#114
The problem with all that is Denver was losing with QBs not named Tebow.

This is why you sign Tebow as 3rd string and you tell him he'll compete at QB, but be a jack of all trades:

- frees up a coveted roster spot because you can have him play H-back, TE, special teams and be the emergency QB.
- either more experienced or younger in age than probably every backup
- 3rd and 1 read option
- though inconsistent, he has a tendency to come up with big plays and there is a lot of value in that

Imagine having a 3rd string QB that actually contributes to wins. Most don't see the field and when they do the crash and burn. Tebow gives you as good a chance as any 3rd stringer, and he can play while your 3rd stringer is sitting the bench waiting for #1 and #2 to go down.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The problem with all that is Denver was losing with QBs not named Tebow.

This is why you sign Tebow as 3rd string and you tell him he'll compete at QB, but be a jack of all trades:

- frees up a coveted roster spot because you can have him play H-back, TE, special teams and be the emergency QB.
- either more experienced or younger in age than probably every backup
- 3rd and 1 read option
- though inconsistent, he has a tendency to come up with big plays and there is a lot of value in that

Imagine having a 3rd string QB that actually contributes to wins. Most don't see the field and when they do the crash and burn. Tebow gives you as good a chance as any 3rd stringer, and he can play while your 3rd stringer is sitting the bench waiting for #1 and #2 to go down.
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That sounds nice and all but that was supposedly what the Jets were going to do with him, and that didn't work out. While you can maybe chalk that up to "The Jets are stupid", I don't see any other team really lining up to do this either. And Tebow has made it pretty clear he wants to be a QB first and foremost, so I think he's pretty much blackballed himself at this point because no team is going to rely on him as any kind of stable QB.

So it goes back to either you truly believe every coach/owner in the NFL is stupid, or they all believe the negatives outweigh any potential positives in Tebow taking up a roster spot.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
That sounds nice and all but that was supposedly what the Jets were going to do with him, and that didn't work out. While you can maybe chalk that up to "The Jets are stupid", I don't see any other team really lining up to do this either. And Tebow has made it pretty clear he wants to be a QB first and foremost, so I think he's pretty much blackballed himself at this point because no team is going to rely on him as any kind of stable QB.

So it goes back to either you truly believe every coach/owner in the NFL is stupid, or they all believe the negatives outweigh any potential positives in Tebow taking up a roster spot.
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The ones who could use Tebow are stupid for not having him. When Tebow has played in games, he has been successful.

The Jets didn't play him. Neither did the Patriots (though they are one of the teams that I don't think would want him in the first place). Saying he failed in those places is technically true, but we all know scouting is flawed. That's why Kurt Warner sits the bench behind Trent Green (no, I'm not saying Tebow=Warner). We don't know what would have happened had he been given a real opportunity.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The ones who could use Tebow are stupid for not having him. When Tebow has played in games, he has been successful.

The Jets didn't play him. Neither did the Patriots (though they are one of the teams that I don't think would want him in the first place). Saying he failed in those places is technically true, but we all know scouting is flawed. That's why Kurt Warner sits the bench behind Trent Green (no, I'm not saying Tebow=Warner). We don't know what would have happened had he been given a real opportunity.
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You're trolling, right? Advanced Metrics Forever in all other sports, but Tim Tebow Just Wins?

He had a completion rate under 50 percent in his magical 2011 season. He had a completion rate under 50 percent in the subsequent playoffs. He cannot play quarterback in the NFL.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
You're trolling, right? Advanced Metrics Forever in all other sports, but Tim Tebow Just Wins?

He had a completion rate under 50 percent in his magical 2011 season. He had a completion rate under 50 percent in the subsequent playoffs. He cannot play quarterback in the NFL.
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No. Only in basketball for me. Significant sample sizes are not possible in football.
 
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n_huffhines said:
No. Only in basketball for me. Significant sample sizes are not possible in football.
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He threw almost 400 NFL passes and completed under half of them. Not significant?

He can't pass well enough to play quarterback. He can't run an NFL offense. He's useless as a backup because he can't do anything that your regular quarterback normally does, and he's useless as a starter unless you're willing to run a high school offense that no one thinks you can win with. It isn't the "baggage"; it's Tim Tebow's skill set. Or prodigious lack thereof.
 
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005 said:
then how do i know if football players are good :-\
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It's a guessing game. Too many variables. A guy can look great, depending on who is around him (see basically every offensive player that left Manning and the Colts for more money).
 
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