Tebow vs Mccoy Post Game

#26
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lawgator1 said:
Does anyone else share my ....skepticism? about MCoy's injury last night?

Say it for two reasons. 1) Video of it looks like he didn't take much of a hit at all -- looked like a minimal glancing blow to the tricep, if anything. 2) Post game, UT coach says he could see at half time that MCoy was in great pain and made decision not to play him, whereas MCoy said afterwards there was no pain at all, just numbness.

I dunno, whole thing rather odd to me.
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It doesn't matter how hard you get hit or what angle, freak injuries happen. My first thought was jammed shoulder.

Tebow and McCoy are very similar people and competitiors. I'd take either on my team. I SERIOUSLY doubt McCoy was trying to get out of the game or anything else.

And remember on 2) - this is Mack Brown you are talking about.
 
#28
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lawgator1 said:
I didn't see anything remotely like that. So far can't find it on youtube.

You may well be right. I'll look closer for that when it becomes available.
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A quote by Mark Ingram about the hit on McCoy:

"I saw the hit," said Alabama running back (and Heisman winner) Mark Ingram. "I was like, 'Oooh, that kind of hurt.' Then somebody told me he was running off holding his shoulder."
 
#30
#30
Listening to Jim Rome, I see that I am not alone in wondering about this.

And it seems like its the Texas fans questioning it as much as anyone.
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#31
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lawgator1 said:
Does anyone else share my ....skepticism? about MCoy's injury last night?
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i don't. but i do share the merriment when timmy weeps on camera.

mccoy took a hard hit by a 300 pounder going full tilt, and from the angle and the reported symptoms (numb arm that feels like it is asleep), it sounds like it might be a brachial plexus avulsion or strain injury.

is that serious? ask inky johnson.

mccoy's injury does not seem as severe as inky's, but if the clinical findings pointed that way and without an MRI handy in the rose bowl to know for sure, taking him out of the game was the prudent move.
 
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tm3 said:
i don't. but i do share the merriment when timmy weeps on camera.

mccoy took a hard hit by a 300 pounder going full tilt, and from the angle and the reported symptoms (numb arm that feels like it is asleep), it sounds like it might be a brachial plexus avulsion or strain injury.

is that serious? ask inky johnson.

mccoy's injury does not seem as severe as inky's, but if the clinical findings pointed that way and without an MRI handy in the rose bowl to know for sure, taking him out of the game was the prudent move.
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:ermm:
 
#33
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BigPapaVol said:
I've never argued that UF will fall off the world because Tebow is leaving. I've argued that his loss will cause a step back, but the D falloff would be the cause of any real deteriorations.

Tebow has hardware, but that's due to the men across the line on his D and a couple of offensive guys now in the NFL. McCoy has individual hardware because he is a very good true college QB.

If I'm building a college football team and running anything but that single wing that UF runs, I wouldn't remotely consider Tebow.
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Got it....

So McCoy is a one man show without any support whatsoever, while Tebow had the luxury of NFL draft picks at key positions all over the field.

How about we just agree to disagree?
 
#34
#34
Evidently youtube is never going to have any video of the play because of copyright issues.

I reiterate that its just a little curiosity on my part because when I saw it over and over last night I kept looking for and not seeing any hit to speak of. In fact, the first few times it looked ot me as though he barely got touched on the arm or torso, at all.

I am totally open to being convinced that it was some sort of just odd place, hope that at some point there's some video to link so we can see it again.

(And I did not intend to bring it up here so as to bolster Tebow at McCoy's expense. Just mentioned it in this thread because it was first one I saw.)
 
#35
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I saw several replays of the hit. And the angle of it, may have had more to do with the injury, than the force.

He got hit hard in a bad spot.

As far as him laying down.
Don't see it. If it was the 2nd or 3rd quarter of the game, and they were down 3 tds, and he had been getting hammered the entire time? Maybe.

If that was the case, he would have folded up against Nebraska a month ago.
 
#36
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BeecherVol said:
I saw several replays of the hit. And the angle of it, may have had more to do with the injury, than the force.

He got hit hard in a bad spot.

As far as him laying down.
Don't see it. If it was the 2nd or 3rd quarter of the game, and they were down 3 tds, and he had been getting hammered the entire time? Maybe.

If that was the case, he would have folded up against Nebraska a month ago.
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Yeah, the force seemed rather minimal, really. And that may be why some folks are asking about it. Hard to see the angle from behind the play, which is the only view I saw of it. From there, it seemed as though there might have been no contact, or really very minimal.

Doesn't really matter. He's moving on to the NFL and so attention now turns to who is going to be decent next year.

Other than Alabama, I have no strong feelings about who to pencil into next year's CG. And we'll see how well the Tide do with that albatross around their necks. Tough to repeat.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yeah, the force seemed rather minimal, really. And that may be why some folks are asking about it. Hard to see the angle from behind the play, which is the only view I saw of it. From there, it seemed as though there might have been no contact, or really very minimal.

Doesn't really matter. He's moving on to the NFL and so attention now turns to who is going to be decent next year.

Other than Alabama, I have no strong feelings about who to pencil into next year's CG. And we'll see how well the Tide do with that albatross around their necks. Tough to repeat.
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As far as it not mattering, because he is leaving. The only thing that would be unfair, is assuming he layed down. Only he really knows that (along with the DRs, and his dad...).

Bama is loaded up, and focus will be the key for them, as UF knows. Would have been hard not to hand it to UF, before the season, I thought they had the best team, and a lot of experience coming back. Never can tell.

As far as the other spot, wide open.IMO
 
#41
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BeecherVol said:
As far as it not mattering, because he is leaving. The only thing that would be unfair, is assuming he layed down. Only he really knows that (along with the DRs, and his dad...).

Bama is loaded up, and focus will be the key for them, as UF knows. Would have been hard not to hand it to UF, before the season, I thought they had the best team, and a lot of experience coming back. Never can tell.

As far as the other spot, wide open.IMO
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Only he knows, and that assumes it was intentional. From what I heard last night, no objective indication of any injury so the docs really can't help.
 
#42
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lawgator1 said:
Only he knows, and that assumes it was intentional. From what I heard last night, no objective indication of any injury so the docs really can't help.
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From what I heard, they said nothing was broke, but he was unable to throw the football. According to reports.
 
#45
#45
Okay, here is video from youtbue. Note you have to wait through a brief ESPN commercial.

Anyway, two things. First, they show from an angle above the play and he did get popped pretty good from that angle that you don't see on the camera trailing the play. So that IMO supports the claim that he was hurt.

Second, on the other hand, look at the flash of video right afterwards. At about the 15 second mark. He stands up after the hit and claps his hands together, which is somewhat inconsistent with the rest of what he was saying and how he was acting throughout.

YouTube - Colt McCoy Injured


Overall, the video tends to make me think he really was hurt.
 
#46
#46
McCoy wanted to try to get back in the game. However, he tried making some throws, couldn't get "anything" on the throws, and was convinced by his dad, as well as the coaching and medical staffs that it wasn't worth the risk. If you have a pinched nerve, it affects strength and movement, not just sensation. Lots of pitchers who wind up with Tommy John surgery never have a specific instance that results in an injury. Several times they only complain of "dead arm" or having numbness in their fingers or thumb. For someone to question why he didn't come back in the game when he didn't appear to be "injured", well, you need to open your eyes.
 
#47
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Regulator said:
McCoy wanted to try to get back in the game. However, he tried making some throws, couldn't get "anything" on the throws, and was convinced by his dad, as well as the coaching and medical staffs that it wasn't worth the risk. If you have a pinched nerve, it affects strength and movement, not just sensation. Lots of pitchers who wind up with Tommy John surgery never have a specific instance that results in an injury. Several times they only complain of "dead arm" or having numbness in their fingers or thumb. For someone to question why he didn't come back in the game when he didn't appear to be "injured", well, you need to open your eyes.
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As I say (see video posted immediately above your post), my overall thinking is that he really was hurt. I would just say that I can see how some might question it, however.

It will be interesting to see how it shakes out in terms of combines and workouts for NFL teams.
 
#48
#48
lawgator1 said:
Okay, here is video from youtbue. Note you have to wait through a brief ESPN commercial.

Anyway, two things. First, they show from an angle above the play and he did get popped pretty good from that angle that you don't see on the camera trailing the play. So that IMO supports the claim that he was hurt.

Second, on the other hand, look at the flash of video right afterwards. At about the 15 second mark. He stands up after the hit and claps his hands together, which is somewhat inconsistent with the rest of what he was saying and how he was acting throughout.

YouTube - Colt McCoy Injured


Overall, the video tends to make me think he really was hurt.
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That was the other angle I saw.

As far as him clapping his hands after he stood up, looked like he never got his hands above his waist, when he did that.
 
#49
#49
I saw a still picture of McCoy getting hit with the top of the defenders helmet in the back of his shoulder.

Looked like he was hurt to me. Just because he was able to move his arm doesn't mean he could throw a ball. If his arm was numb, as reported, he wouldn't be able to throw with any velocity or accuracy.

GatorDeputy
 
#50
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GatorDeputy said:
I saw a still picture of McCoy getting hit with the top of the defenders helmet in the back of his shoulder.

Looked like he was hurt to me. Just because he was able to move his arm doesn't mean he could throw a ball. If his arm was numb, as reported, he wouldn't be able to throw with any velocity or accuracy.

GatorDeputy
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There's a photo floating around like that of a hit on the Texas backup. Mccoy is number 12, the photo is of number 3.
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