Teenager: I Registered To Vote 73 Times

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A Cleveland teenager who claims he registered to vote 73 times over a five-month period has set of alarm bells among election officials in Ohio's most populous county.

The bipartisan Cuyahoga County Board of Elections in Cleveland voted unanimously Monday to ask Prosecutor Bill Mason to investigate multiple registrations by four people, including 19-year-old Freddie Johnson.
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Story: HERE
 
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You think ACORN would go to all that trouble to not use 72 of those votes...

It is an issue if they have impostors vote for him.
 
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therealUT said:
It is an issue if they have impostors vote for him.
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Agreed, but that seems highly unlikely considering we're talking about it now. Again, it's an administrative issue between ACORN and various Boards of Elections. We're talking about Voter Registration fraud, not actual Voter Fraud. Both are illegal, but only one results in an illegitimate result.
 
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I would venture to say that it goes undetected more often than it is caught.
 
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notverycrucial said:
Agreed, but that seems highly unlikely considering we're talking about it now. Again, it's an administrative issue between ACORN and various Boards of Elections. We're talking about Voter Registration fraud, not actual Voter Fraud. Both are illegal, but only one results in an illegitimate result.
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but to assume the one that results in an illegitimate outcome will not happen makes no sense. Why would they go through the brain damage?
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notverycrucial said:
Agreed, but that seems highly unlikely considering we're talking about it now. Again, it's an administrative issue between ACORN and various Boards of Elections. We're talking about Voter Registration fraud, not actual Voter Fraud. Both are illegal, but only one results in an illegitimate result.
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if ACORN were as partisan toward McCain/Palin, I can just about guarantee you'd be singing a different tune.
 
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notverycrucial said:
Agreed, but that seems highly unlikely considering we're talking about it now. Again, it's an administrative issue between ACORN and various Boards of Elections. We're talking about Voter Registration fraud, not actual Voter Fraud. Both are illegal, but only one results in an illegitimate result.
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Chances are if there is one rat you see there are many more you don't. I consider that a problem, but I guess some people just don't mind rats.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
but to assume the one that results in an illegitimate outcome will not happen makes no sense. Why would they go through the brain damage?
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I don't assume anything. The fact is no illegal vote has ever been cast as a result of voter registration fraud. Ever.

In the very few cases where voter fraud has been successfully prosecuted, it usually involves someone voting twice (in two different states or precincts. There has never been a case of someone casting an illegal ballot under the name Mickey Mouse.

The voter fraud claims are a fraud. It's a campaign tactic designed to (a) illegitimize an Obama's win, or (b) cast enough doubt on the results to force a court decision for a recount.
 
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notverycrucial said:
I don't assume anything. The fact is no illegal vote has ever been cast as a result of voter registration fraud. Ever.

In the very few cases where voter fraud has been successfully prosecuted, it usually involves someone voting twice (in two different states or precincts. There has never been a case of someone casting an illegal ballot under the name Mickey Mouse.

The voter fraud claims are a fraud. It's a campaign tactic designed to (a) illegitimize an Obama's win, or (b) cast enough doubt on the results to force a court decision for a recount.
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ACORN GROUP SUPPLIED NEARLY 4,000 FAKE VOTER REGISTRATIONS IN CLEVELAND AREA - New York Post

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T-TownVol said:
ACORN operates under the "it's your job to catch us" business plan.
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Not true. In many cases, it is ACORN that flags problem applications that they deem as "suspicious" or "redundant" and then it's up to the Boards of Election to take the next step.
 
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notverycrucial said:
I don't assume anything. The fact is no illegal vote has ever been cast as a result of voter registration fraud. Ever.

In the very few cases where voter fraud has been successfully prosecuted, it usually involves someone voting twice (in two different states or precincts. There has never been a case of someone casting an illegal ballot under the name Mickey Mouse.

The voter fraud claims are a fraud. It's a campaign tactic designed to (a) illegitimize an Obama's win, or (b) cast enough doubt on the results to force a court decision for a recount.
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I understand your point but the bigger issue here is groups like ACORN who have shown time and time again that they are operating in shady, illegal ways. Would you let a business that has many members that have been found guilty of crimes subcontract for your company (hypothetical I know)?
 
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notverycrucial said:
I don't assume anything. The fact is no illegal vote has ever been cast as a result of voter registration fraud. Ever.

In the very few cases where voter fraud has been successfully prosecuted, it usually involves someone voting twice (in two different states or precincts. There has never been a case of someone casting an illegal ballot under the name Mickey Mouse.

The voter fraud claims are a fraud. It's a campaign tactic designed to (a) illegitimize an Obama's win, or (b) cast enough doubt on the results to force a court decision for a recount.
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It's not anything but calling a spade a spade. Nobody is going to bring suit over a kid that signed up 73 times.
 
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rockydoc said:
Don't in Ohio they can register and vote on same day?
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Yes, I think you can register and vote the same day in Ohio for the first 5 days of early voting. After that, only people who are already registered in the system can vote early, or on Election Day. Still, the same procedures for protecting the vote are in place. First time voters must have proper ID and proof of residence. Seems like a risky scheme if one is looking to steal an election, involving thousands of willing participants with fake id's, and if caught, they will be going to jail.

For the record, only 3,000 people in Ohio's largest counties participated in Ohio's "register and vote same day" program this year. I have no idea if anyone of them voted illegally, but I bet someone is going over the voter rolls with a fine tooth comb looking for any inconsistencies. If they find something, I'm sure we'll hear about it.
 
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KB5252 said:
I understand your point but the bigger issue here is groups like ACORN who have shown time and time again that they are operating in shady, illegal ways. Would you let a business that has many members that have been found guilty of crimes subcontract for your company (hypothetical I know)?
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By "shady and illegal ways", are you referring to the bad acts of a few temporary ACORN employees that willfully signed up people more than once in order to meet quotas? That is , of course, illegal, but I would argue that ACORN is as much a victim in these cases as anyone else.
 
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notverycrucial said:
Yes, I think you can register and vote the same day in Ohio for the first 5 days of early voting. After that, only people who are already registered in the system can vote early, or on Election Day. Still, the same procedures for protecting the vote are in place. First time voters must have proper ID and proof of residence. Seems like a risky scheme if one is looking to steal an election, involving thousands of willing participants with fake id's, and if caught, they will be going to jail.

For the record, only 3,000 people in Ohio's largest counties participated in Ohio's "register and vote same day" program this year. I have no idea if anyone of them voted illegally, but I bet someone is going over the voter rolls with a fine tooth comb looking for any inconsistencies. If they find something, I'm sure we'll hear about it.
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Did you not read the story I posted?

And to answer your assertion about "fine tooth comb", when you are talking about numbers as large as these, MANY illegal registrants will fall through the cracks and be counted, which is exactly what ACORN hopes to accomplish.
 
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rwemyss said:
Did you not read the story I posted?

And to answer your assertion about "fine tooth comb", when you are talking about numbers as large as these, MANY illegal registrants will fall through the cracks and be counted, which is exactly what ACORN hopes to accomplish.
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Yes, I read your article. Apparently nearly 5% of the registrations turned in were considered "questionable" and were flagged by the Elections Board. In one case, a man registered using a fake address and cast a ballot for president. (Early votes are not counted as "votes" until election day for this reason). The fraudulent registration and attempted vote was found almost immediately and it has been removed from the system.
 
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notverycrucial said:
By "shady and illegal ways", are you referring to the bad acts of a few temporary ACORN employees that willfully signed up people more than once in order to meet quotas? That is , of course, illegal, but I would argue that ACORN is as much a victim in these cases as anyone else.
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Acorn trains and pays these people to collect registration cards. As an employer you are responsible for employees actions while carrying out their duties. If this wasn't so widespread I would tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. However wherever they operate allegations, investigations and ultimately cases of fraud are prosecuted. How can an organization who's members are found in violation keep getting money to do what they do? I simply do not understand why my money goes to fund an extremely partisan outfit that is so often found guilty of fraud. It is beyond me!
 
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notverycrucial said:
Not true. In many cases, it is ACORN that flags problem applications that they deem as "suspicious" or "redundant" and then it's up to the Boards of Election to take the next step.
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They throw out a few flags to try and keep everyone off of their trail. Then hide behind the "don't you want everyone to have a vote" excuse.
 
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KB5252 said:
Acorn trains and pays these people to collect registration cards. As an employer you are responsible for employees actions while carrying out their duties. If this wasn't so widespread I would tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. However wherever they operate allegations, investigations and ultimately cases of fraud are prosecuted. How can an organization who's members are found in violation keep getting money to do what they do? I simply do not understand why my money goes to fund an extremely partisan outfit that is so often found guilty of fraud. It is beyond me!
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I agree. Acorn is responsible for actions of its employees, and I have no idea why they keep getting funding if these problems are so "widespread." My guess is that these problems are not all that widespread, and these issues are to be expected considering the sheer complexity of dealing with millions of voter registrations and multiple state agencies.
 
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notverycrucial said:
I agree. Acorn is responsible for actions of its employees, and I have no idea why they keep getting funding if these problems are so "widespread." My guess is that these problems are not all that widespread, and these issues are to be expected considering the shear complexity of dealing with millions of voter registrations and multiple state agencies.
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My thoughts are that they provide a valuable service to democrats so they will be protected to some extent. Factor that in with repubs being afraid to go after them with any real teeth for fear of being labeled racist and I think you have the main factors.
 
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