Ten Years Later, Boy's 'Hand of Hope' Continues to Spark Debate

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The only debate is when "life" begins. I think most us would agree that it would have to be a pretty terrible situation (i.e. life threating) to abort a pregnancy that is five months in.
 
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666 said:
The only debate is when "life" begins. I think most us would agree that it would have to be a pretty terrible situation (i.e. life threating) to abort a pregnancy that is five months in.
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Yeah, it is a parasitic blob of goo that turns into a human!

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Just saying, certain kinds of commonly used birth controls prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterine wall, allowing to pass out as if it were a normal menstrual cycle. Since it is fertilized, I guess that is life and millions of humans are killed each month in this country alone. Since life begins right away and all.

Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of miscarriages each month, from fertilized eggs just happening not to implant on the uterine wall. Must have been the old testament God's idea.
 
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IPorange said:
Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of miscarriages each month, from fertilized eggs just happening not to implant on the uterine wall. Must have been the old testament God's idea.
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You are equating naturally occurring miscarriages to abortions? :blink:
 
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i think its funny that the same people that are pro-choice are generally against the death penalty
 
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That is strange, from your perspective. But they argue that a fetus of x age (it varies by person) isn't yet alive and thus it isn't killing. So to them it makes perfect sense.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
i think its funny that the same people that are pro-choice are generally against the death penalty
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The majority of the people I know that are pro-choice are either in favor of the death penalty, or like me, think that there needs to at least be a moratorium and vast overhaul of the system. There is no reason to be executing people when there is still a chance that innocent (at least of the crimes they are on death row for) people can slip through the cracks.
 
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emainvol said:
The majority of the people I know that are pro-choice are either in favor of the death penalty, or like me, think that there needs to at least be a moratorium and vast overhaul of the system. There is no reason to be executing people when there is still a chance that innocent (at least of the crimes they are on death row for) people can slip through the cracks.
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If we went by these standards as you set out could there be any real absolute way to make sure the condemned is 100% guilty?
 
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see, pro-life doesnt mean just pro-unborn, pro-life means the care of the baby after the baby is born, to the 80 year old in the nursing home facility, to simply only care for someone in the prenatal stage is crazy. when someone is born, they no longer stop being relevent....
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
i think its funny that the same people that are pro-choice are generally against the death penalty
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I'm pro-death. Ahhhhhh, let the pain go away. *turns on Simple Plan*

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emainvol said:
The majority of the people I know that are pro-choice are either in favor of the death penalty, or like me, think that there needs to at least be a moratorium and vast overhaul of the system. There is no reason to be executing people when there is still a chance that innocent (at least of the crimes they are on death row for) people can slip through the cracks.
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Agreed. I'm in favor of the of the death penalty and pro-choice.
 
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This is what it all boils down to on the issue of being pro choice. At what point does it cease to be ok to abort the child and why?
 
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volinbham said:
I believe point is about taking life. To follow your logic dying of cancer is the same as being murdered.
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No, to follow my logic dying of cancer is a tragedy. I never said a miscarriage is murder. I was just saying that if a fertilized egg is a person, a lot of people are dying.

And of course, IUD's and some hormonal birth controls are aborting babies like crazy.
 
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KB5252 said:
This is what it all boils down to on the issue of being pro choice. At what point does it cease to be ok to abort the child and why?
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at what point would you have been cool with your mother aborting you?
 
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I'm pro-choice (to an extent) as well. I'm pro death penalty (to an extent) also. You would think that there's a faster, cheaper way to kill a convicted murderer (I guess not).

Come on....you didn't enjoy Tim McVeigh getting done in? Seriously, who wouldn't? Revenge is a very sweet item.
 
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volinbham said:
You are equating naturally occurring miscarriages to abortions? :blink:
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Since it is "naturally occurring" wouldn't that mean a higher power is simply doing the killing, if you believe in that? Same with cancer?
 
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KB5252 said:
This is what it all boils down to on the issue of being pro choice. At what point does it cease to be ok to abort the child and why?
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As I have been trying (and I guess failing) to communicate, that sword cuts two ways. If a fertilized egg is a person, most common birth control methods besides condoms are wrong.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
at what point would you have been cool with your mother aborting you?
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I wouldn't have been cool with it. My personal views are it is wrong, I struggle with this because at the same time I don't feel I have the right to tell another what he or she shouldn't do.

At the same time I am steadfast in my thinking that tax payer dollars going to fund or subsidize abortion is wrong and should not happen.
 
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