Tennessee comes in at #10 in ESPN's way too early top 25, one spot ahead of UK

[TheMookieMonster]

I think you're missing the point of what I said. I said recruiting the best within the framework of coaching and development is the optimal situation. Do you agree or disagree?

I don't understand what you're trying to say. "Recruiting the best in the framework of coaching and development." What does that mean? Are you saying recruit less talented players that are more coachable?

 

[cardvolfan]

I don't understand what you're trying to say. "Recruiting the best in the framework of coaching and development." What does that mean? Are you saying recruit less talented players that are more coachable?

I thought I was pretty clear so I'll spell it out for you. Recruiting the most talented players you can find that also fit into the UT modicum of being good people, which include guys like Springer and Johnson. Talented players that want to work hard and be coached hard to make them even better.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

I thought I was pretty clear so I'll spell it out for you. Recruiting the most talented players you can find that also fit into the UT modicum of being good people, which include guys like Springer and Johnson. Talented players that want to work hard and be coached hard to make them even better.

No need to be so snappy. I asked a question because you’re original statement wasn’t clear. You didn’t mention anything about character or “good people”. How am I supposed to assume that “coaching and development” means good character? And why would I advocate for recruiting kids with poor character. Pretty sure it’s not hard to find good people in the midst of the Top 100 players.

 

[cardvolfan]

No need to be so snappy. I asked a question because you’re original statement wasn’t clear. You didn’t mention anything about character or “good people”. How am I supposed to assume that “coaching and development” means good character? And why would I advocate for recruiting kids with poor character. Pretty sure it’s not hard to find good people in the midst of the Top 100 players.

I think you're pretty naive, but I do agree with your last sentence.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

I think you're pretty naive, but I do agree with your last sentence.

Lol. Naive? You made two comments to me? The first mentioned superior talent in the right framework. We were discussing at the time the model different coaches use for success. Why would I associate your phrasing of the word framework with a kid’s character? And the second comment you made to me you mentioned coaching and development. Again, why would I think you’re talking about a kid being a good person?

I was solely commenting on the idea that people threw out there that the Cal Model of one and dones is less effective than other models. I don’t know how it got pivoted to talking about if a recruit was a good person or not.

 

[cardvolfan]

Lol. Naive? You made two comments to me? The first mentioned superior talent in the right framework. We were discussing at the time the model different coaches use for success. Why would I associate your phrasing of the word framework with a kid’s character? And the second comment you made to me you mentioned coaching and development. Again, why would I think you’re talking about a kid being a good person?

I was solely commenting on the idea that people threw out there that the Cal Model of one and dones is less effective than other models. I don’t know how it got pivoted to talking about if a recruit was a good person or not.

We were talking about Cal's talent model. When I said "best talent," you questioned me. I don't know how much clearer that could have been.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

We were talking about Cal's talent model. When I said "best talent," you questioned me. I don't know how much clearer that could have been.

I guess, IMO, I don’t identify Cal’s Model as “talented men of poor character.” He has some bad apples every now and then but a lot of programs do. No one is infallible.

 

[cardvolfan]

I guess, IMO, I don’t identify Cal’s Model as “talented men of poor character.” He has some bad apples every now and then but a lot of programs do. No one is infallible.

I never said that. I was strictly talking talent. You added the "poor character" part.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

I never said that. I was strictly talking talent. You added the "poor character" part.

This is a direct quote from you and the first instance of someone talking about “being good people” which in my view is the same thing as talking about a person’s character. If I had my wires crossed I apologize but it seemed pretty clear once you “spelled it out for me” that you were referring to Kentucky and Cal recruiting kids who aren’t good people.

I thought I was pretty clear so I'll spell it out for you. Recruiting the most talented players you can find that also fit into the UT modicum of being good people, which include guys like Springer and Johnson. Talented players that want to work hard and be coached hard to make them even better.

 

[cardvolfan]

This is a direct quote from you and the first instance of someone talking about “being good people” which in my view is the same thing as talking about a person’s character. If I had my wires crossed I apologize but it seemed pretty clear once you “spelled it out for me” that you were referring to Kentucky and Cal recruiting kids who aren’t good people.

I said nothing in that quote about Cal recruiting bad kids. Absolutely nothing.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

I said nothing in that quote about Cal recruiting bad kids. Absolutely nothing.

Alright, well I apologize, but it seemed like the reference to UT recruiting good people was implying Kentucky and other schools don’t try and do that.

I’m not sure how we got so off track anyway. I think you took the point of my very first post wrong which was strictly that the athletes in CBB across the board are better than they’ve ever been which is why the one and done model seems less effective than it used to be.

 

[cardvolfan]

Alright, well I apologize, but it seemed like the reference to UT recruiting good people was implying Kentucky and other schools don’t try and do that.

I’m not sure how we got so off track anyway. I think you took the point of my very first post wrong which was strictly that the athletes in CBB across the board are better than they’ve ever been which is why the one and done model seems less effective than it used to be.

I never imply. I am direct and will tell you what I mean, especially when it comes to Kentucky. I don't particularly care for Calipari, but I have no idea how he recruits as far as character goes, so I don't judge that.

I do agree there seems to be more parity, but I like the problem we have of so much talent and depth.

 

[sechamp2012]

Cal wins a lot of games and could win a NC in a given year, but me, personally, I couldn't tell you who was on last year's team. I exaggerate, but there is something to having multiyear players. Fire Cal? No way. But I wish he would tweak his model a bit.

I totally understand, when someone starts talking about Tobias Harris. I have to pause for a second then say yeah he was good to great but just don't think of him like King, Grunfeld, Houston etc.. The players they stayed around for 3+ they just seem like they are more Vol family. Not to take away from Tobias 1 year play.
Can't imagine how that would be for multiple players year in & year out.. We may be getting ready to find out.

 

[Ace]

Bernard King was just on another level and I mean NBA elite level. If he had not injured knee early in NBA career, he might have been one of the all-time greats. He was smooth as silk both inside and out plus he was a relentless rebounder. His game was timeless.

 

[cardvolfan]

Bernard King was just on another level and I mean NBA elite level. If he had not injured knee early in NBA career, he might have been one of the all-time greats. He was smooth as silk both inside and out plus he was a relentless rebounder. His game was timeless.

He was easily the greatest player I ever watched in person. Bar none, nobody could do what King could do. You had to see it to believe it, but when he scored 42 in his first game as a freshman with no 3-point line, you knew instantly. Look at his rebounds per game as well, and no one comes close. No offense to the potential of Banchero, but folks, I doubt we will ever see this again in Tennessee basketball.