Tennessee Played Well But Not In The Cards

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I certainly agree on the Time Outs! I was calling for them several times, and I am no coach. I had a flashback to when CPS was coaching and a player made a stupid TO and Pat CRISPLY called for a TO. You could tell the players did not want to come to the bench. They KNEW they were going to have their chains yanked! And she did, with that glare and grimace, and most of the time they went back to the court with determination NOT to have another time out called!

I think Holly is afraid of DD pouting, so she has told her to Relax! when she makes a turn over. That can be the only reason I can think of that DD smiled and seemed to laugh at herself last night when she made several of them. And, truly, it would not be helpful for a player to beat herself around the head if she makes an error, but there HAS to be some kind of comeuppance, or refocusing!

While it is important to have a time out to use at the end of the game, sometimes, you won't make it to the end in a position to need them unless you use them during the other 38 minutes of the game!
 
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bobkitten said:
I had a flashback to when CPS was coaching and a player made a stupid TO and Pat CRISPLY called for a TO. You could tell the players did not want to come to the bench. They KNEW they were going to have their chains yanked! And she did, with that glare and grimace, and most of the time they went back to the court with determination NOT to have another time out called!
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That was when we had a coach that DEMANDED greatness from their players.
 
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The Dog said:
Holly has given her all for the Lady Vols, but she is Wade Houston, the assistant coach(who can recruit), that goes over to the player and lifts 'em up, after Pat(or Denny Crum) reams their ass. 2 bad, she doesn't have a 5 star kid like Allan

Sorry, we gave her a shot, she failed. Let her stay on as an assistant. Make the right hire and with our recruiting class coming in, UT will be in the final 4, next year
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And how many SEC titles and final eight appearances did Wade Houston have as UT HC (and what was his winning %). Just trying to understand the comparison here....
 
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lvocd said:
Didn't one of their top players (Taya Reimer) transfer after last season?
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They were without Reimer almost all of last season.

Muffet has changed her offense to avail of the fact that she has Turner. ND hasn't been a post oriented club since Ruth Riley was there.
 
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volfanIND said:
That was when we had a coach that DEMANDED greatness from their players.
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Most good coaches are very tough and very demanding in a good way. They chew ass--and they chew ass regularly. Warlick does not do that, cannot do that because it is not her personality. I think she tries to be tough--sometimes--but players are very good, like all people, at sensing the core personality of a boss. From what I can tell, Warlick tries to nudge the team along, tries to nudge individual players along--when what they really need is an ass chewing. When you demand good execution, and know how to work on it, you can get it if you've got some talent. We've got talent, but we don't execute or play well enough consistently. We so underachieve.
 
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volfanIND said:
That was when we had a coach that DEMANDED greatness from their players.
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I had a friend call me up this morning and give me an analysis of the game. He moved here from Mississippi and is a big State fan. He said he sat right behind the State bench at the game last night. His observations of Holly as a head coach were not very flattering to say the least. He did say he hopes Tennessee keeps her around because...well...I'll stop there...and his wife is a Tennessee graduate.
 
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hokievol12 said:
I had a friend call me up this morning and give me an analysis of the game. He moved here from Mississippi and is a big State fan. He said he sat right behind the State bench at the game last night. His observations of Holly as a head coach were not very flattering to say the least. He did say he hopes Tennessee keeps her around because...well...I'll stop there...and his wife is a Tennessee graduate.
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Well that settles it for sure..

Sure it is one thing for a zillion board posters to bash Holly but when an anonymous MSU fan does so, well, game over.:search:
 
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teacherdean said:
The ladies played well but MSU played the way Championship teams have to play, especially at the end of the game. I love the fact that the ladies did not give up and hung in there to the end. We can come up with a lot of what if's but we played our best and got beat. We gave #4 a very hard test. In the end, MSU's defense was more than Tennessee could overcome. Vic has done a super job with a 5 starless team. All and all there is still hope in Knoxville if we continue with the same mentality and effort for the rest of the year.
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What hope would that be? DD hogging the ball and not distributing it? The Lady Vols are a better TEAM with DD on the bench. She is just not going to distribute the ball. She got a lot of favorable calls driving and converted 13 of 15. Stated a different way she scored 12 points from everything other than FT's with a negative A/T ratio.

ESPN over-hypes her. I'll say it one more time - - DD is one of the best raw talents in a long time who has never been, and apparently, never will be developed into the player she has the potential to be. Too bad
 
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madtownvol said:
And how many SEC titles and final eight appearances did Wade Houston have as UT HC (and what was his winning %). Just trying to understand the comparison here....
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The comparision is that Holly has the mentality of an Asst. Coach and can't get it done as a Head Coach. Yes, she probably had more wins in her 1st 2 years than Wade had in his whole career at UT. But, Wade had one All-America type player while Holly's had, at least 10.


I love Holly, but let's be honest, UT will never win another national title until they replace her with a true Head Coach, not a career assistant, who was more or less, the "good cop" to Pat's "bad cop"
 
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PointGuard said:
What hope would that be? DD hogging the ball and not distributing it? The Lady Vols are a better TEAM with DD on the bench. She is just not going to distribute the ball. She got a lot of favorable calls driving and converted 13 of 15. Stated a different way she scored 12 points from everything other than FT's with a negative A/T ratio.

ESPN over-hypes her. I'll say it one more time - - DD is one of the best raw talents in a long time who has never been, and apparently, never will be developed into the player she has the potential to be. Too bad
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Points are points no matter how you get them. If DD was on the bench, MSU would have won by 30 going away.

I don't see MeMe, Alexa, Kortney or Qui being able to contribute on both ends of the floor to even suggest that this team is better without Diamond.
 
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hokievol12 said:
I had a friend call me up this morning and give me an analysis of the game. He moved here from Mississippi and is a big State fan. He said he sat right behind the State bench at the game last night. His observations of Holly as a head coach were not very flattering to say the least. He did say he hopes Tennessee keeps her around because...well...I'll stop there...and his wife is a Tennessee graduate.
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Lots of (ex) UT rivals hope they keep her around. :huh:
 
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bobkitten said:
I certainly agree on the Time Outs! I was calling for them several times, and I am no coach...While it is important to have a time out to use at the end of the game, sometimes, you won't make it to the end in a position to need them unless you use them during the other 38 minutes of the game!
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Either Holly doesn't recognize momentum changes and game flow very well, or she does but believes her team should try to play through it. Another thing I wonder is what the assistant coaches on the bench tell her about time outs. Shouldn't one of them politely suggest she call a timeout?
 
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Amb3096 said:
They were without Reimer almost all of last season.

Muffet has changed her offense to avail of the fact that she has Turner. ND hasn't been a post oriented club since Ruth Riley was there.
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Exactly and Turner (imo) isn't the type of Post Player you change your offense for, now with Patterson coming in next season then you could consider it because she is a 4 and Vaughn (her incoming classmate) is more of a 5
 
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mlindsay said:
Exactly and Turner (imo) isn't the type of Post Player you change your offense for, now with Patterson coming in next season then you could consider it because she is a 4 and Vaughn (her incoming classmate) is more of a 5
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I think Turner is the perfect post to tailor your offense for. She's like Izzy. Throw it up there and she will come down with it. She can also catch and finish in one motion, so she's near impossible to block. The only way to defend that is to front her with someone who can outjump her, and so far only Gabby Williams from UConn fits that bill.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
At 7:07 of the second, we had just seen back to back lost-focus plays. I stood up and yelled "time Out!". . . (sv sitting next to me). . . Behind me I heard "What do we need a timeout for, we're still ahead?"

That is what separates a coach from a fan...We see a different game.

There were four more bad possessions that preceded the "waited for" TV timeout. There were four more possessions that followed the tv timeout, before DD hit a jumper to end the drought.

At 1:01 of the fourth quarter, we still had 3 time outs.
Mississippi State didn't have any left.


Time outs are more than just end of game mechanisms.
They are often momentum changers.
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I totally agree! That's when I knew something was wrong with Pat when she didn't call timeouts or pull players.
 
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mlindsay said:
Exactly and Turner (imo) isn't the type of Post Player you change your offense for, now with Patterson coming in next season then you could consider it because she is a 4 and Vaughn (her incoming classmate) is more of a 5
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You just talking out ya butt now. Turner's every bit of a gamer. ND don't need to change their offense, because she fit so perfectly in it because she moves so well.
 
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madtownvol said:
I am really sick of people trashing Draya; she was playing on shot knees her last season and gave it her all. Early in her career, she looked destined for greatness but injuries are cruel.
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I'm not trashing Draya. Draya was what she was. A fantastic person and teammate but not a great basketball player despite all of her physical gifts. She wasn't the first and won't be the last. I'm not sure what you mean by "early in her career". She was never an aggressive offensive player prior to UT and she wasn't at UT from the moment she stepped on campus.

I saw Draya play several times in HS. The "shot knees" excuse doesn't fly. What was her excuse earlier in her career prior to her knee? What was her excuse in high school? She was always afraid of the big moment at UT and was in high school as well. She had all the tools to become an elite college guard. Fantastic athletic ability (leaping and quickness), quick hands and a perfectly textbook jumper. She easily could've been All-SEC on both sides of the ball. What she lacked was court vision, a high basketball IQ and a mental toughness to show up big when her team needed her to.
 
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Orange_Mamba said:
You just talking out ya butt now. Turner's every bit of a gamer. ND don't need to change their offense, because she fit so perfectly in it because she moves so well.
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I have seem Turner a good bit and I can not remember her ever taking over a game that mattered... I do not know what you mean by a gamer....even though I know, yes, the meaning of the term.... ND showed best when it had players with a motor inside of them... a deep desire.... Diggins, McBride, Achonwa, Bernadette Peters.... and that Becky gal with the Polish last name who also played lacrosse (sorry Becky forgot your last name).... The Mabreys.... Taya Reimer.... Westbeld... those are good x's and o's players.... but they lack the will to win.... not knocking them i am sure they want to win... but they do not have the killer instinct that the forementioned crowd possessed.....
 
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RPAV said:
I like Jordan but we need a elite point guard play that demand ball to set up and run the offense. To many one on one plays and forced shots will not work against elite defense.
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We have that in Cooper but she's out for the year. Have to go with what we have right now.
 
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we have no focus ! that is the coachs job!ms don't have the level of talent we have ]]cccccccccccccccccccccccccoach1
 
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LasVegasBill23 said:
I have seem Turner a good bit and I can not remember her ever taking over a game that mattered... I do not know what you mean by a gamer....even though I know, yes, the meaning of the term.... ND showed best when it had players with a motor inside of them... a deep desire.... Diggins, McBride, Achonwa, Bernadette Peters.... and that Becky gal with the Polish last name who also played lacrosse (sorry Becky forgot your last name).... The Mabreys.... Taya Reimer.... Westbeld... those are good x's and o's players.... but they lack the will to win.... not knocking them i am sure they want to win... but they do not have the killer instinct that the forementioned crowd possessed.....
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Bernadette Peters would be the famous Broadway actress. :eek:lol:

Deveraux Peters played for ND.
 
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