Tennessee 's offense with Cedric Tilman this year

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I swear I was thinking today about how different we've looked on offense since Tillman has been back. Didn't know we had a thread on it. That's wild.
 
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BigOrangePaddy said:
I hate to even go here, but this is an honest observation.

Our offense has looked very off so far when he is in the lineup. Coincidence? Maybe.

Think about how we looked on offense against Pitt and then even against Kentucky upon his return followed by this UGA performance. First thing i noticed in the Kentucky game upon his return is that the entire offense looked a bit tighter out there compared to against LSU and Bama.

Maybe some kind of struggle between him and the other WRs in the locker room is going on or something? Maybe he putting out a more strict vibe with the other guys? Either way, our team chemistry on offense just has been very noticeably different with him in the lineup for whatever reason.
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Just MO...but the trust between him and Hooker causes HH to look for him first. Maybe not as i havent even attempted to rewatxh the games. But i honestly expected Bru to have a very big game against UGA...he wasnt targeted until the 2nd half if memory serves. I was drinking so im willing to admit that observation is incorrect

And it is possible McCoy just wasnt getting separation. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

However in 50/50 balls Bru will bring home most if not all of them.

We will see going forward how the offense goes and i fully expect the staff to fix whatevethe issue is.
 
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I may be wrong on this but I read when Tillman was out everyone shifted positions, Hyatt actually was in Tillmans spot, I had thought myself that we looked better with the line up we had going after Tillman got hurt, I also think it hurt us shifting everyone back to their original slot if that was the case, not saying Tillman isnt a quality receiver but Hyatt doesnt blow up like he did if Tillman is out there and I dont think Tillman puts up the same numbers Hyatt did, Hooker did hold the ball too long thats true and the penalties but changing what works right when you need it to work the best can bite you.
 
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I think this debate can be ended fairly quickly if you ask the right people.

Ask the people in the wide receivers room what they think about Tillman and him being back, specifically ask Hyatt what he thinks about it?

Play your best players and live with the results.
 
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volfan_28 said:
If Hooker connects on the deep balls like he has all season, our perception of the offensive performance against UGA is much different.

We left at least 3 TDs on the field.
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Hooker has missed deep balls every game. But he has made so many deep completions along with other throws it’s easy to overlook the miscues.
 
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BigOrangePaddy said:
I hate to even go here, but this is an honest observation.

Our offense has looked very off so far when he is in the lineup. Coincidence? Maybe.

Think about how we looked on offense against Pitt and then even against Kentucky upon his return followed by this UGA performance. First thing i noticed in the Kentucky game upon his return is that the entire offense looked a bit tighter out there compared to against LSU and Bama.

Maybe some kind of struggle between him and the other WRs in the locker room is going on or something? Maybe he putting out a more strict vibe with the other guys? Either way, our team chemistry on offense just has been very noticeably different with him in the lineup for whatever reason.
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Maybe - just maybe - when Tillman has been in there we have been playing Ga, Ky, etc. Teams ranked 1 st and 4th in total defense in the conference vs. when he hasn't been in there against lesser db's and weaker teams.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
Tillman being active has nothing to do with the o-line giving up 6 sacks and Hooker making inaccurate throws. We couldn’t run the ball against Pitt or UGA. That was the main problem with our offense those 2 games. If the receivers struggle to get open against Mizzou, SC, and Vandy, then maybe you have a point, but I don’t see it.
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Hooker missed 3 throws, some of the sacks was his fault, holding ball too long! Throw it away! He also forced the ball to Tillman on first down which was intercepted!! Terrible decision!
 
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Pride85 said:
The problem with your logic is this, you were stating that Tillman being back caused HH to force the ball toward Cedric. HH had an off night overall. He overthrew three other receivers that had nothing to do with Cedric Tillman being on the field. Did the presence of Tillman cause a disruption against KY? It is easy to try and pick out player X or coach Y and blame that person for a loss. My challenge to you is this, why did it work against everyone else, including Bama and LSU, but not Georgia? Did this scheme that has worked so well suddenly become trash because we lost a game that no one thought we were going to win anyways?
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1. He did force the ball and his eyes toward Cedric at times

2. No because they had Tillman on a pitch count so he wasn't a big part of the gameplan against UK

3. I'm not solely blaming Hooker. The whole team played bad and the coaching wasn't that great either.

4. The offensive scheme is fine. There are pros and cons to every scheme. UGA is better than anyone we played but its not that we lost. Its HOW we lost. The defensive scheme is bad and has been bad since week 1 but everyone chalked it up to playing Vanilla.

It is what is and we're still in a good spot. That doesn't we have to turn a blind eye to things.
 
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rdk4121 said:
Tillman didn't cause Hooker to overthrow Hyatt and Bru on two deep balls. And while we did end up leaving some points on the board against Kentucky, Tillman only played barely half a game. The Pittsburgh game had a similar feel to the Georgia game mostly because we committed several penalties that ending up stalling drives. That was the common theme in both games.
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Overthrew Fant too on a deep ball and Fant had his man beat.

Hooker has been nearly perfect on those long balls this season, and was 0/3 with them against Georgia. It was uncanny.
 
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Vol865 said:
1. He did force the ball and his eyes toward Cedric at times

2. No because they had Tillman on a pitch count so he wasn't a big part of the gameplan against UK

3. I'm not solely blaming Hooker. The whole team played bad and the coaching wasn't that great either.

4. The offensive scheme is fine. There are pros and cons to every scheme. UGA is better than anyone we played but its not that we lost. Its HOW we lost. The defensive scheme is bad and has been bad since week 1 but everyone chalked it up to playing Vanilla.

It is what is and we're still in a good spot. That doesn't we have to turn a blind eye to things.
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We also don't need to try and fix things that aren't broken, especially when you really don't have any legitimate suggestions other than a blame game.

As for the defensive scheme, going into the game everyone was terrified of the three headed monster Georgia has at TE. The scheme that was run limited them to a COMBINED 34 yards of offense between the three of them. Coach Banks took them away, but we still don't have the horses to take everything away.
 
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I asked a coach why Hooker doesn't go to his third or fourth reads. He told me that is not what they ask him to do. That is why when he looks to the left side of the field, that's where the ball is going, or he takes off.
 
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tone357 said:
I asked a coach why Hooker doesn't go to his third or fourth reads. He told me that is not what they ask him to do. That is why when he looks to the left side of the field, that's where the ball is going, or he takes off.
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That makes sense from what we know about our offense. The QB reads the defense - having spread it out to the point that the defense has shown its hand - and, knowing where the weakness is, decides then which receiver is most likely to be open, and looks there first.
 
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rdk4121 said:
Tillman didn't cause Hooker to overthrow Hyatt and Bru on two deep balls. And while we did end up leaving some points on the board against Kentucky, Tillman only played barely half a game. The Pittsburgh game had a similar feel to the Georgia game mostly because we committed several penalties that ending up stalling drives. That was the common theme in both games.
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I'm not trying to bash Tillman.. Obviously he is a huge talent. I am questioning the chemistry of the offense when he is out there though.

Yes, our oline was abused all day long but the only other game our offense struggled in was against Pitt with him there. Sometimes one player can cause other guys to get off as well especially if there are heated arguments or anything toxic going on in the locker room.

It's probably just a coincidence, but the fact is our offense has looked much sharper without him in there which is surprising to say the least.

I don't believe UGA is that much better than us in the trenches. Our oline just looked like they didn't even want to be out there from the beginning snap.
 
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Tillman is the best WR on a 50/50 on a long pass. Bru is a possession not as fast, Hyatt is fastest but small. I think Ced would usually have out battled for that ball. Ringo was best DB IMO we’ve faced. This may have got in HHs head ergo the 3 overthrows him abandoning his 50/50 mantra after the unusual interception.
Also the 8 pre snap jumps allowed their DL to time the snaps rest of game basically game over. It may turn out same on neutral but I think the crowd noise & magical 75 yard punt is something we will not see again this year. GBO.
Also UGA got a start similar to us vs LSU everything going our way. We beat LSU but we are not 40 to 13 better than them IMO . I’m just saying on any given day things can start and go bad. We played bad vs Pitt but some how eked it out. We are much better team than Pitt to eke out a win in OT. It happens we just need stay focused last 3 games.
 
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Pride85 said:
We also don't need to try and fix things that aren't broken, especially when you really don't have any legitimate suggestions other than a blame game.

As for the defensive scheme, going into the game everyone was terrified of the three headed monster Georgia has at TE. The scheme that was run limited them to a COMBINED 34 yards of offense between the three of them. Coach Banks took them away, but we still don't have the horses to take everything away.
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You act like they have Antonio Gates and Gronk out there. Not that impressed with their TEs. The last big game that Tillman played the whole game he had 18 targets for 9 catches vs Pitt. Some were missed throws and some were drops. But fine. At that point he was the only proven WR. I didn't think it would be an issue when he came back but it seemed to be he was looking for certain WRs instead of looking for the one who is open.

We're clearly on different pages though. If you want to pretend like everything was great and we need to fix nothing to get better, I'll leave you to it.
 
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Vol865 said:
You act like they have Antonio Gates and Gronk out there. Not that impressed with their TEs. The last big game that Tillman played the whole game he had 18 targets for 9 catches vs Pitt. Some were missed throws and some were drops. But fine. At that point he was the only proven WR. I didn't think it would be an issue when he came back but it seemed to be he was looking for certain WRs instead of looking for the one who is open.

We're clearly on different pages though. If you want to pretend like everything was great and we need to fix nothing to get better, I'll leave you to it.
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Agreed. Something definitely seems different with him out there. Maybe there is some drama going on between him and Hyatt for that top WR position? Not sure..He is definitely our most physical guy though besides Bru McCoy. Hope they can all get on the same page together.
 
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Vol865 said:
You act like they have Antonio Gates and Gronk out there. Not that impressed with their TEs. The last big game that Tillman played the whole game he had 18 targets for 9 catches vs Pitt. Some were missed throws and some were drops. But fine. At that point he was the only proven WR. I didn't think it would be an issue when he came back but it seemed to be he was looking for certain WRs instead of looking for the one who is open.

We're clearly on different pages though. If you want to pretend like everything was great and we need to fix nothing to get better, I'll leave you to it.
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Actually that is not the truth. I feel the team, coaches, scheme as a whole let us down against Georgia. I am just not one to try and blame it on a single player disrupting the chemistry. I don't see how you can gather that I feel everything is perfect from my posts. The numbers and the facts just don't back up your hypothesis. We can agree to disagree on this one.
 
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After reading all of the above responses, I find it hilarious how many of you are now knocking Hooker because he can't make it past 2 reads, forcing the ball, etc. Our offense was running on all cylinders until UGA who had an excellent game plan and the athletes to execute as well as a D-line our offense hasn't seen all year. Hooker is fine, our offense is fine and we are better with Tillman in the line up.
 
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Vol865 said:
You act like they have Antonio Gates and Gronk out there. Not that impressed with their TEs. The last big game that Tillman played the whole game he had 18 targets for 9 catches vs Pitt. Some were missed throws and some were drops. But fine. At that point he was the only proven WR. I didn't think it would be an issue when he came back but it seemed to be he was looking for certain WRs instead of looking for the one who is open.

We're clearly on different pages though. If you want to pretend like everything was great and we need to fix nothing to get better, I'll leave you to it.
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Actually that is not the truth. There is plenty to adjust and improve between now and a potential rematch with Georgia. I just don't simplify to it to a primary part of our offense returning from injury. There is zero evidence to back it up. As I posted before, I hope Mizzou tries to use that blueprint soothe coaching staff can prove out the tweaks against lesser opponent. We will.just have to agree to disagree.
 
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BigOrangePaddy said:
Agreed. Something definitely seems different with him out there. Maybe there is some drama going on between him and Hyatt for that top WR position? Not sure..He is definitely our most physical guy though besides Bru McCoy. Hope they can all get on the same page together.
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I don't think it's a drama thing. Just kind of a habit.
 
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