Tennessee Vols Basketball Recruiting

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Yeah, you all are arguing two different things. I'm not trying to understate the importance of the PG position. Purely based on roster talent, I think it's difficult to say we are less talented overall than last year. It seems like that entire argument is predicated on Chandler being gone, but I don't think Chandler's departure completely offsets all of the additions we made plus the development of guys like Aidoo, JJJ, ORN, SV, ZZ, etc.

Will this team be better? It feels like that is the question you all are actually asking and I don't know. PG is definitely going to be the determinant of that. But, I don't think having a good PG makes you a more talented team.
 
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I mean, ZZ may not be as “talented” as Chandler but I do feel he has enough experience at the PG spot to make a run in the Tournament.

Also, I really feel like Edwards is being overlooked by majority of the fans. He’s definitely talented enough to contribute.
 
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Dallasbowlin said:
Probably the second team. It will be hard for James to be better than he was to end the season. If you mean they expect him to do that for a full season, then I say you probably will be right and this years team will be better. They most likely won’t win the SEC Tournament, but I can see us making a deeper NCAA run.
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James in SEC play only was a 29mpg/10/6 guy on 32% from 3, 48% from 2, 80% FT and 39%fg overall…I think the expectation is definitely to be better than that.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
Yeah, you all are arguing two different things. I'm not trying to understate the importance of the PG position. Purely based on roster talent, I think it's difficult to say we are less talented overall than last year. It seems like that entire argument is predicated on Chandler being gone, but I don't think Chandler's departure completely offsets all of the additions we made plus the development of guys like Aidoo, JJJ, ORN, SV, ZZ, etc.

Will this team be better? It feels like that is the question you all are actually asking and I don't know. PG is definitely going to be the determinant of that. But, I don't think having a good PG makes you a more talented team.
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This roster is more talented than last year's and it shouldn't even be up for debate. People are freaking out for no reason haha. Between ZZ, Mashack, Key, JJJ, Vescovi and BJ Edwards who is proving himself so far and probably the best post talent since Schofield and Williams. Our interior will surprise people for sure. I feel like we actually have a pretty balanced roster this coming season. Better not sleep on the BasketVawls. Should be a good season.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Barttorvik has us #3, many media polls have been 9-12 that I’ve seen, which is close enough to say Top 10 imo. It seems our fan base is more down on this team that media & analytics.
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Do you realize you would argue with someone for pages if the roles were reversed between you and Dal there?
 
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GregAmsler said:
Great points.

Especially, “and then built a team, a program and an entire sport.”

And

“Barnes is unique in that he stabilized the whole AD at a time when there was only instability. There is no TV, White, or Heupel without that stability.”

I’d also add that when Barnes retires, Tennessee, with a good AD/leadership team, will be in a position to make a great basketball hire. It’ll be a position that UT hasn’t ever been in before. Not to say UT hasn’t made great hires with Mears, Pearl, and Barnes, but the appeal of the job to top resumes will make the available pool deeper than ever before, IMO. That’s because of Rick Barnes.
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Mears and Aberdeen had the hoops program rolling in the 70's and if Mears does not have depression issues, I think he makes Tennessee a blue blood in basketball with Duke and Kansas and Kentucky and North Carolina.
 
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AngryButchJones said:
Would he even be eligible for this upcoming season? I thought you had to enter the transfer portal by a certain date to be eligible for the next season? Or is it different if you're a grad transfer?
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It's different for grad transfers, I believe. Similar to how we just landed the baseball player from Cincinnati.

Still, with such average (at best) numbers at a low level, I can't imagine this kid comes in and even makes a dent in our lineup. I'd pass.
 
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cncchris33 said:
It's different for grad transfers, I believe. Similar to how we just landed the baseball player from Cincinnati.

Still, with such average (at best) numbers at a low level, I can't imagine this kid comes in and even makes a dent in our lineup. I'd pass.
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Yea definitely not a world beater by any means, but with an open spot not sure I see a downside to it. Some insurance if Zeigler was to get injured, and/or BJE just isn’t ready, again with the open spot and it being 1 year I don’t see a negative aspect to it.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yea definitely not a world beater by any means, but with an open spot not sure I see a downside to it. Some insurance if Zeigler was to get injured, and/or BJE just isn’t ready, again with the open spot and it being 1 year I don’t see a negative aspect to it.
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Has similar shooting numbers to KC other than points per game. Rebounds and assist seem to be around the same as well. Not saying the kid is KC by any means, but it made me feel better lol
 
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TrippieRedd said:
Has similar shooting numbers to KC other than points per game. Rebounds and assist seem to be around the same as well. Not saying the kid is KC by any means, but it made me feel better lol
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Ehh, not by the numbers I'm looking at. 2-pt FG% was similar, but KC was almost 7.5 percentage points better from 3. And you have to take into account the competition level when comparing their assists and TOs. Also, it's better to use their ratios, asst%, and TO%. KC blows him away in those numbers, especially the efficiency numbers. And again, the competition level is on another planet.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yea definitely not a world beater by any means, but with an open spot not sure I see a downside to it. Some insurance if Zeigler was to get injured, and/or BJE just isn’t ready, again with the open spot and it being 1 year I don’t see a negative aspect to it.
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I just don't see much of any way he can contribute based on the fact that at 22 years old, he wasn't even close to being the best player on a bad SIU-E team. With the portal being what it is, and options popping up all over the place, I'd just hate to miss out on a potential Santiago Vescovi or Oscar Tshiebwe because we didn't have an open scholarship, mid-year, by virtue of taking a flyer on a guy we all know isn't likely to make a dent in our lineup. That's the downside to taking him. At this point in the year, I'm only on board with taking a guy who can definitely make a difference if pressed into action, or a guy who projects well down the road.
 
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Dallasbowlin said:
Probably because it wouldn’t be shocking to see you on here arguing about the color of the sky. Lol
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As an aside, one of the things I always notice when I go back to Tennessee (besides the humidity and the bugs) is that the sky there is a different shade of blue than where I live. I’m pretty sure it’s the altitude difference.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I just don't see much of any way he can contribute based on the fact that at 22 years old, he wasn't even close to being the best player on a bad SIU-E team. With the portal being what it is, and options popping up all over the place, I'd just hate to miss out on a potential Santiago Vescovi or Oscar Tshiebwe because we didn't have an open scholarship, mid-year, by virtue of taking a flyer on a guy we all know isn't likely to make a dent in our lineup. That's the downside to taking him. At this point in the year, I'm only on board with taking a guy who can definitely make a difference if pressed into action, or a guy who projects well down the road.
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That’s fair, and a part of it I didn’t consider.
 
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